People advocating flatting is the worst thing EVER,

Do U really think Villain doesn't know his rep, ????

Id call all day, and call 2 bets on A-hi boards

Board irrelevant, I'd be getting stacks in post

If there is an aggressive dynamic, it is more likely he is bluff 3-betting. If he is bluffing, he is not likely to 5-bet here. He will only do that with a hand he planned to gii with. There are also problems with the stack sizes and whether we are deep enough to represent a 4-bet/fold.

Yep. I think it is beyond lolz that people are criticizing flatting here. What yeaaaaar is it?? (Jumanji anyone?). We have no evidence that would point to Villian being capable of 5B light here and we know it's going to be really hard for him to call a 4B OOP against a guy who put in 1/4 of his stack preflop. Christ almighty lol

Sigh...look flatting is fine but its not the highest eV play is most cases. Also vs the nature of most bb v btn ranges (most ppl w a clue will be playing a mostly polarized range of nutty stuff and trashy stuff. This guy choosing 72O shows he is kinda clicking. Since you need a folding range and there's other 32s usually suited stuff that can flop a hand w equity but is snap folding to the 4b. But well also cooler a huge % of his 3b gii range. The eV comes from the times you get a full double vs ak,qq jj etc. It's very awful for him to 3b jj or aqs to gii and we peel and the board runs out ugly and he doesn't wanna get stacks in. This will obv happen more often than not. Well get a small cbet and oop will spilt his range ott
Also sucks when a hand like 84s flops trips and we get stacked because we let hhim realize equity
Sure you can also tarp some hands by flatting and you will Make money, Your going to make money w kk ever time unless u fold the idea is to maximize eV
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How does he 3bet 72o if he is a solid pro

Good post lolposting i geuss that's why i did 4B.
I come to the conclusion that flatting could been an option if i got 50/60bb.


I don't judge somebody is bad on 3B 27o.And maybe he was little upset he is not clicking buttons.I think the dynamics were right for this play.(I would just give up my BB tough).

I know it isn't standard sizing, but I would prefer to click it back to 10.5xBB. Then you put in only 1/4 of your stack, so you appear to leave plenty of room to fold and also encourage a call, as he is getting about 4.5-1 immediate odds. It does polarize your range to QQ+ and air, but he might not be sure you have the nuts BTN versus BB. When you make it 12xBB, it is almost the same as pushing, and he probably folds all bluff 3bs.

Question : what's your 4b range? Thanks

If you are going to 4b, I would prefer CIB or push. 12xBB or 14xBB as someone suggested look strong. Are you really 4-bet/folding 30-35% of your stack?

All 3 of those sentences are enough reasons to consider V horrible.

I geuss he is just a huge winner for years with playing horrible.I wish i was equal horrible....
I wouldn't do it but i am not so sure his play was bad.His flatting range gone be superwide but with complete rags he 3B like he would with legitim hands.
I not defending his play i just try to understand it better.

There are many huge winners who are fundamentally bad at the game. You shouldn't conclude that someone is a solid pro by his profit, it's MTTs we are talking about.

Ok you win....every player that pulls of this play has to be horrible.

It depends on how ******ed I think he is. If I think he's ******ed in the way he appears to be bsed on this hand (dumb aggromonkey) I might just 3bet every single hand I open with that doesn't flop well. But in a more likely scenario, guess I'd 3bet most my non-callable Ax at least and go from there. It's kinda noteworthy that against these people the adjustment you want to make is to just open less, openfold your K4os etc, and then 4bet them to death with the tighter than normal range you chose to open with.

What are stack and raise sizes?? I like 4B like 2.5x of his 3b so you can define his range a bit more if he calls. Flatting can make things a bit tricky on a lot of boards and you can possibly lose action vs a lot of his value hands so 4b is probably the standard here. Image also matters here as well. If you've been an uber nit then flatting should be best but if you've shown to be a competent and somewhat aggressive then I like a 4b.