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12-13-2011 , 02:07 PM
Rate my spew from 0 = lolreetard to 10= you're an idiot but you got heart ( 0 is uber bad 10 is somewhat acceptable - 5 is like #clickmorebuttonspls )

Table im on is not one of the easier ones, lineup to my left is quite ****ty so I'm trying to pick on randoms /easier regs to my right. I've 3b a couple times successfully , sqzd otb 1 time and got shoved on by mp2 and folded.

I've a TAGish img so far but did not get out of line and been semi active. Btn is a greek random, SB is a vamoo reg who has been on the nitty side this early.

I don't have a dynamic enough to warrant me shoving over his tiny 4b so I get into hood mode (first spew) and decide to flat/play fit-fold post.

WUG line beyond the pre disaster ? Villain expected to be aggro but not sure on his tendencies otherwise.

p.s. anyone flat here pre ? seems spewy-ish...

No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG flpro157 (17,414)
UTG+1 caaaaamel (9,003)
MP1 ryanghall (24,000)
MP2 Mr_BigQueso (6,776)
MP3 810ofclubs (14,892)
CO Str33tChaman (9,873)
BTN Paris Dedes (11,635)
SB BrazilianEye (23,467)
BB Hero (14,077)

Blinds: 125/250 Ante 25

Pre-Flop: (600, 9 players) Hero is BB 9 J
6 folds, Paris Dedes raises to 550, BrazilianEye calls 425, Hero raises to 1,585, Paris Dedes raises to 3,131, BrazilianEye folds, Hero calls 1,546

Flop: 8 Q 6 (7,037, 2 players)
Hero (10,921) ? ( Paris Dedes has 8,479)
12-13-2011 , 02:10 PM
Seems pretty bad/ unnecessary. I suck at poker and I go deep in the $500 every week because regs always do this **** when I have aces.
12-13-2011 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Pghfan987
Seems pretty bad/ unnecessary. I suck at poker and I go deep in the $500 every week because regs always do this **** when I have aces.
I agree havent spewed like this in a while, guess liveproing for a week might do that to me

edit: flat pre or sqz >fold to 4b ?
12-13-2011 , 02:13 PM
Open jam the flop. Having him fold AKhh is better than having him b/c AKhh. Why not flat pre the first time? I'm pretty hood with flatting 3b/4bs but no way would I be flatting this 4b with stacks behind as they are
12-13-2011 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rumnchess
Open jam the flop. Having him fold AKhh is better than having him b/c AKhh. Why not flat pre the first time? I'm pretty hood with flatting 3b/4bs but no way would I be flatting this 4b with stacks behind as they are
yah for some reason I fig sqz>flat and I thought we were deeper, had many tbls and deep in most at the time

Flop: 8 Q 6 (7,037, 2 players)
Hero bets 10,921

like this you mean ?
12-13-2011 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by aseHigh
I agree havent spewed like this in a while, guess liveproing for a week might do that to me

edit: flat pre or sqz >fold to 4b ?
I definitely flat pre here, this hand is strong enough in multi-way pots.

As played yea I guess you might as well open shove flop to try to get him to fold AK.
12-13-2011 , 02:21 PM
nvm missed the flat, tired
12-13-2011 , 02:22 PM
Preflop; call=fold>raise
If you decide to raise you should've raised more.
After you got re-popped maybe you can justify calling for pot odds, hoping for a great flop planning to shove a lot of dry flops and good draws..
Shove that flop for sure.

By your rating system I guess i give it a 3 (click more buttons .. Pretty spewy.
12-13-2011 , 02:43 PM
Flat the first time, flat the 2nd time, jam the flop, 7.
12-13-2011 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Donovan
Preflop; call=fold>raise
If you decide to raise you should've raised more.
After you got re-popped maybe you can justify calling for pot odds, hoping for a great flop planning to shove a lot of dry flops and good draws..
Shove that flop for sure.

By your rating system I guess i give it a 3 (click more buttons .. Pretty spewy.
given your threads I think you should lurk more in SSMTT b4 you reply to HSMTT material
12-13-2011 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
Flat the first time, flat the 2nd time, jam the flop, 7.
this is the hand I mention @ the WU tbl 7 tho ?
12-13-2011 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by aseHigh
this is the hand I mention @ the WU tbl 7 tho ?
7/10. Most of it is fine and the bad part, the squeeze, is only meh bad, and not lol bad. You've obviously got heart. F the haters, ****s aggressive, etc. etc. I'd imagine I do something at least as borderline hood/******ed once a day.
12-13-2011 , 03:09 PM
i'm not sure why 3 betting pre seemed like a good idea, especially with this sizing. Obviously not folding now... but yeah, seems pretty spewy to me. The 500 has such a great structure these type of moves with great hands like j9 suited just seem silly.
12-13-2011 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by aseHigh
given your threads I think you should lurk more in SSMTT b4 you reply to HSMTT material
Where did that come from?
right guy, play your hands as posted and then YOU write ME off as a random fish. Why don't you tell me were my logic is flawed instead of trolling? You played this hand like a donkey, admitted to it, then attacked me when I agreed with you.
I have only been criticized for one thread. Mostly because of where I posted it and because of it being difficult to read and understand.
I don't play small stakes, I've been studying this game since I was a child, playing seriously for twenty years, and I've written poker strategy professionally for three separate publishers. If you don't understand my threads maybe you should ask for clarification instead of assuming that you don't understand them=they don't make sense.
I probably have more of an old-school approach to the game, I'll admit that. I haven't played professionally for years now but that's why I'm here. To learn what the "young guns" are doing and maybe even share some insights with them that they haven't considered. I'll leave your thread alone though. NP there.
12-13-2011 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Donovan
Where did that come from?
right guy, play your hands as posted and then YOU write ME off as a random fish. Why don't you tell me were my logic is flawed instead of trolling? You played this hand like a donkey, admitted to it, then attacked me when I agreed with you.
I have only been criticized for one thread. Mostly because of where I posted it and because of it being difficult to read and understand.
I don't play small stakes, I've been studying this game since I was a child, playing seriously for twenty years, and I've written poker strategy professionally for three separate publishers. If you don't understand my threads maybe you should ask for clarification instead of assuming that you don't understand them=they don't make sense.
I probably have more of an old-school approach to the game, I'll admit that. I haven't played professionally for years now but that's why I'm here. To learn what the "young guns" are doing and maybe even share some insights with them that they haven't considered. I'll leave your thread alone though. NP there.
It takes like four words to say "I am <first name> <last name>." If you've written strategy for three separate publishers it shouldn't be that hard for us to find out. Instead of rambling about your qualifications in vague, unverifiable terms, just give us some reason to suspect you're qualified. You haven't so far.
12-13-2011 , 05:22 PM
Donovan sufb
12-13-2011 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Donovan
I've been studying this game since I was a child, playing seriously for twenty years
While there are some good poker players who have been around for a long time, citing your 20 years of experience as evidence of your credibility is a joke. The average 22 year old who has been playing poker for 3 years is probably better than the average 40 year old who has been playing for 20 years.
12-13-2011 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by aseHigh
given your threads I think you should lurk more in SSMTT b4 you reply to HSMTT material
If you jumped to the conclusion that my post was condescending or trolling, then you need to write for 3 more publishers and figure out the nuances (sarcasm)

I was actually giving you advice, regardless of what you may, or may not, have as poker experience
12-13-2011 , 09:02 PM
7.77

Flat pre is sooo much better than squeezing, we have an awesome hand, squeeze with something not worth calling =)
12-13-2011 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
It takes like four words to say "I am <first name> <last name>." If you've written strategy for three separate publishers it shouldn't be that hard for us to find out. Instead of rambling about your qualifications in vague, unverifiable terms, just give us some reason to suspect you're qualified. You haven't so far.
Sorry, didn't know I had to verify myself to not be treated like a joke. I never claimed to be one of the worlds elite, just that I know what I'm doing and have a few accolades. Happy hunting, the name is
Donovan Doust
I'm not a 40 year old BTW, I'm 34.
I started playing every week when i was in junior high school and by high school i was regularly playing $1-$2 NLH before most people knew what it was. The first book on poker I ever read is sitting in the shelf next to me among dozens of others. It's scarn's guide to modern poker published in 1980. I bought and read it when I was in junior high and I've been chewing thru them ever since.

I have, in fact, written for several sites and was actually staff on one. I also sold the rights to my book and will tell you the publisher if admin doesn't mind but its a strategy site and competitor of two plus two. If you poke around you should be able to figure it out. I never claimed to be a top pro or authority on theory, just that I'm not a small stakes fish who's making random moves. I have no WSOP experience and really I've only got a couple $500+MTT wins to my name.

For what it's worth, I have back to back Toledo Poker league player of the year awards and multiple cashes as well as two final tables and one second place finish in $500+ tourneys at the Bellagio and I've been to Vegas exactly two times. Sorry, that's about it.
I wrote/played pro for just a couple years up until the first smash the online poker world took during the Bush admin. I've played with, practiced with, and beat the best in my area and there are a few pros out here. Most the card rooms in Toledo are underground so it won't do any good to tell you too much about that.
I'm not sure what else I can tell you.

I'm not lying or exaggerating. I never claimed to be one of the worlds elite. Just a seasoned player with professional strategy writing experience and legitimate full time pro playing past (albeit years back and only a couple years) I just mean to say that I'm no noob/small stakes player/fish/poser/etc. I really think that a lot of the confusion comes from the fact that I learned poker by crushing thru every major publication on the market years ago and most of the players on here don't think about the game in the same terms I do.

So, there you go. Knock yourself out.

Last edited by Donovan; 12-13-2011 at 09:31 PM.
12-13-2011 , 09:43 PM
All you have to do is google my name and poker strategy and i'm sure you'll find as much as you'd care to dig thru.
That article was I $50 free lance. Not my best or most serious work. I didn't re-read it but I doubt its very far off.
Sorry if you were being serious. Sarcasm is hard to tell online so I maybe am being defensive.
12-13-2011 , 09:53 PM
You don't have to verify yourself; you could just start posting quality material instead.

EDIT

If you come into this and other threads (like your c/r hand that you butchered) with an authoritative, condescending tone, it's important to know what you're talking about. Despite being the most feared player in the Toledo Poker League two years running, you have very little experience applicable to high stakes online tournament play. You don't play against these players or players with an even slightly similar style.

By all means, sit back and learn, and ask for clarification when you don't understand something, but when you come into threads and post stuff like this utter nonsense...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Donovan
Are you being serious?... lol even. You go as far as lol. My goodness;
I would recommend you spend a little time reading Sklansky or maybe Caro. The dynamics of the game change but the math doesn't. Reading one of the old staple books couldn't hurt your game. Check/raising draws OOP is not exactly advanced and it certainly isn't anything new.

How on earth would you check/raise the flop in position?

Does anyone know what it means to buy a free card by check raising your draws OOP? Does no one read poker strategy books anymore? Is there anyone out there who understands this play? Please someone back me up here. I'm starting to wonder if i've lost my entire mind. This sight is very reputable. But a couple regs here seem to not understand my (fairly math based and traditional) game. What's going on here?
...you're going to get a less-than-warm welcome from people who actually know what the **** they're talking about and don't like the clutter or the attitude. Antagonizing these people makes them a lot less likely to post in your threads or be willing to respond to your questions, which costs you a lot of learning opportunities.

Last edited by NeverScaredB; 12-13-2011 at 10:07 PM.
12-13-2011 , 10:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
You don't have to verify yourself; you could just start posting quality material instead.

EDIT

If you come into this and other threads (like your c/r hand that you butchered) with an authoritative, condescending tone, it's important to know what you're talking about. Despite being the most feared player in the Toledo Poker League two years running, you have very little experience applicable to high stakes online tournament play. You don't play against these players or players with an even slightly similar style.

By all means, sit back and learn, and ask for clarification when you don't understand something, but when you come into threads and post stuff like this utter nonsense...



...you're going to get a less-than-warm welcome from people who actually know what the **** they're talking about and don't like the clutter or the attitude. Antagonizing these people makes them a lot less likely to post in your threads or be willing to respond to your questions, which costs you a lot of learning opportunities.
I shouldn't have posted that one. I did it after I felt i was being abused on this one. That wasn't a nice thing for me to say or way to say it. But seriously, does no one check/raise draws OOP? I'm sure Annie Duke, David Sklansky, Harrington, and Howard Leaderer do or at least did. I know for sure. I literally remember the book/DVD written by each that spoke of this type of maneuver. I am not trying to sound condescending I am just referencing these players to say that I didn't invent the line I took in that hand that I "butchered". I think I explained the rational pretty well too. So what is it that makes a good solid way to vary your game from years ago not work anymore?
I am not trying to derail this thread but if anyone can explain why maybe check/raising big draws OOP getting called and checking a blank on the turn used to be legit and isn't now I would love to read the explanation on my thread "turn check/raise into river bluff?". Please. That's why I'm here. To see what the young guns have to add to my game. I also thought I could help out some with my years of study and play experience. That's not going as well.
12-13-2011 , 11:02 PM
I don't think pre is an absolute disaster, I'd give this a solid 8+. Flop I'd bet 4265, jam fine too, putting chips in first has to have great merit here

      
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