obv he wanted to pull a jaka on jaka but couldn't find 93os so 24os would have to do... Vanessa not part of equation cuz girls always fold to 4 bets...

that 93os hand was infinitely better because he had fold eq!

def

Excuse me in advance if this comes off as extremely cynical and slightly paranoid but my mind often wanders to dark places without any particular reason or evidence...


Did Tehan have a piece of Faraz by chance??

would make most sense imo...

Noticed that the numbers weren't right but figured that it was close enough and didn't change the dynamics of the hand. If the dealer missed that the raise wasn't enough, then that's pretty bad, but it's much more likely that the blogger got the bet sizes wrong. Happens all the time.

A results-oriented player would've said that Faraz and Vanessa should've both snap-folded pre since there was too big of a chance that Joe was going to spaz and hit trips by the turn... When the "results" are that another player puts their money in hella bad, then admittedly that can be dumb luck, or it could be good poker. I was giving Faraz the benefit of the doubt that he had a feel that someone at the table would call him wide, giving him great value for his AA shove. We didn't know anyone's image at the time. Maybe Jaka had shoved two hands in a row, and he felt that one of the bigger stacks wouldn't be able to resist snapping him off the third time with a marginal hand. If Joe had already been playing wild as Jaka said, then he could be the one he expected to call wide. Or maybe he wanted to mess with the other players' heads by flipping over two Aces if everyone does fold.

Also, back to the min-raise, I haven't noticed any comments about there being two other players between Vanessa and Joe. From the blog pictures it looks like one was LuckyChewy with ~300K and the other might've been Sorel with 185K. If Sorel 4-bet jams then she's calling, but if Chewy does it with a near covering stack having two more behind him + obv strength from Vanessa, then maybe she can make the hero fold and save herself on the bubble. In a vacuum it would be a bad fold EV-wise, but she can make a live read and possibly decide that she's a 4:1 dog >90% of the time and let go. When Joe ended up being the jammer from the Big, she should've snap-called/high-fived the dealer but there's also nothing wrong with taking your time in a tough spot like that. What's often missed is that if you're already planning to call, then it provides a great opportunity to sweat your opponent and pick up tells for the next time you get raised by that player and you don't have QQ+. (assuming your hand holds the first time) I'm not saying Vanessa was doing that, but it is an extra reason to take your time.

I'm done with the retaliatory flames now that last night's buzz is long gone. It's difficult to sit back and watch posters slam solid players and then get patted on the back for it, but I shouldn't have said what I said. Haters are gonna hate, and we should all just let those posts be. Good game, Nice hand, Best of luck.

hahaaaaa my original thought was that if tehan had 50% of faraz play makes sense......no joke......you're not extremely cynical/paranoid.....

i think faraz would have already come clean about that by now if that were the case though and be like "yo dawg, i didn't tell him to get all crazy w/ the 42o but he decided to nh dawg"

playing w/ pieces in tourney so weird sometimes...vivek had 25% of me in WSOP ME and still played psycho bluffs that i wanted to call

lol ***** vivek

nice post

Hey guys, Joe Tehan here. No I did not have a piece of faraz, although by the way I played that hand it would certainly seem that way. I'm not here to defend my play, but I did want to clarify that. As for what I was thinking, Vanessa made it 120 with 250 behind. Say what you will about my play, but I knew it would be a very difficult call for her to make when a $51k bubble is one spot away. I also eliminated AA & KK from her range since she min reraised faraz's 17bb utg shove. All I have to say is that you should never underestimate the amount of luck involved in poker (tourneys especially). Also, the buyin of the tournament doesn't say much about the level of play. Thx.

Wow what an Epic hand/thread/amount of LOL's provided.
Fwiw I agree w Faraz about the general mindset/attitude of people in this forum, which is a large reason why I quit posting, but I think we all have to admit this hand and some of the posts in this thread are hilarious, regardless of the poo-flinging going on. But generally, Faraz is dead on, the majority of posters in this forum need to change their mindset if they ever want to maximize their potential in this game.

ps- vwp stealthmunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWm4T...eature=related

I'm pretty sure I would trade binking three 500k+ scores for people saying I played a hand less than optimally on the internet. People will always criticize people and this instinct is magnified by jealousy, often caused by celebrity, and anonymity, which the internet provides. I have no sympathy for Faraz's post, which starts off as a quasi-valid, albeit trite, point about how people all make mistakes, and turns into a post about how his ability to learn is what makes him so great, while ignoring that criticism is often a very effective way of learning.

The hand was played pretty badly, although Tehan made the biggest mistake and VR's play was maybe OK.

Internet players tend to have good fundamentals, and also sometimes go too far with everyone playing the standard way. Pretty sure all 3 of these players make some fundamental mistakes from the way the hand was played.

Faraz and VR both have multiple huge cashes. Faraz has a good bluffing game with weak cards. Quite possible that other aspects of his game are quite strong, and that he didn't understand that open pushing AA was questionable there.

As for VR, think people try to run her over as she is a girl. Think she is pretty good at making "aggressive calls" as she said in a previous thread where she was flamed. She may also be good at inducing bluffs as she did here. Seems pretty obvious that the minraise is a top 3% or so hand and she is never folding. Normally flatting would be better for inducing action, although her flatting range should be tight as well.

Agree that the tone of some of these posts is fueled by jealosy and anonymity. It is pretty funny to see a hand so badly played in what is supposed to be an invitational for the best of the best.

For the record I criticize randoms on the internet all the time. I doubt I am jealous of celebrity; I'm a ****ing recluse. I didn't even go outside last week when the fire alarm went off and there was a real fire in the building. People suck.

Working on getting Stealthmunk a special exemption to EPL for the season 2.

I'm the 261st best player in the world right now by their rankings, doesn't seem that farfetched especially considering their recent turnouts!

Another deep run at Mohegan Sun and you are a lock!

Remember not to pay the bubble!!!!!

I'd prefer a Shaun Deeb special exemption.

Question, and I'm sure this has been addressed before. Why doesn't the Epic Poker League give cards to people with the best online results? I think it would be pretty cool to make the league about the best live pros versus the best online pros. Maybe Moorman is eligible now with his recent live scores, but what about Gboro? Kleath? Seems dumb if they can't play.

C'MON MANNNNNNNNNNNN

Assuming the HH is right.....another interesting preflop decision from Joltin Joe.....cold calling 17bb shoves from BB with UTG open (who covers) holding K6

Does he think this is bounty event?


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Chris Klodnicki has the button.

Andrew Lichtenberger raises to 16,000 from under the gun and Michael Mizrachi moves all-in for 134,000 from the small blind.

Joe Tehan asks for a count and makes the call. Lichtenberger folds and they show:

Mizrachi - A3o
Tehan - K6hh

The flop comes K96 and Tehan flops two pair.

The turn is the Q, giving Mizrachi a few outs.

The river comes the 10 and Joe Tehan wins the pot.

Michael Mizrachi is eliminated in 4th place for $174,460.

Joe Tehan - 1,122,000

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Looks to me like Joe simply has some sick reads on what's coming.

Some articulate analysis from Joe Tehan here.

-Hows everything going Joe? your still hanging in there!

J.T.:"Ya, I'm hanging in-ummm I-I dunno-i made a- kind of a- I was gambling against the grinder, uhh and I made a big call against him."


-What happend there tell me?

J.T.:"Umm, It was like, i dunno it probably wasn't the best of calls but like uh, Luckychewy raised and grinder went in for like i don't know 130k at 4 and 8, so like i don't know, i don't know how much that is.

But you know, its enough like and i'm in the big blind and I have King Six of hearts, like i should normally fold but its weird like in these situations like even if i'm taking slightly the worst of it like you know he had ace 3 so im like you know not even 60 um i have like over 40 percent chance of winning and you know getting a huge payjump. So I mean its a gamble, i know I'm like, I know im probably never have him dominated or anything, but its just a gamble, taking a shot, taking a shot at taking a payjump and now i'm playing 3handed with these guys.

I'm feeling great you know. Uhh, Ya, i don't know. I'm just tossing some chips around. I mean they both have a lot of chips, but I'm still in there, feeling good."

This should be a lesson to people in marketplace. Results mean very little in the short term in poker! As long as a guy can aggressively mash buttons he has a chance of winning/going on a heater.


Bellagio WPT 1.2 MU


Epic Poker 20k 1.3 MU

NAPT/WPT champ though, lol. Oh, if only I was 21 a couple years earlier to play in fields where that guy ^^^^ probably had a 200% + ROI in.

Think about that.

Holy ****, nice posts SM. I am at the end of long, bad Sunday so I am a little tilted but I really want to go off on how stupid Joe comes across in that interview, and what kind of scam him selling action is.

JOE, you are TERRIBLE. I use the word "terrible" a lot to describes regs with some leaks, but WTF? How can you be this bad at poker? I mean there's no way you can be so dumb that you actually think you are making good decisions. No one can be that dumb. So why are you intentionally making stupid decisions?

3b/calls A7o for 53bb...not that he knows how many BB he was 3b/calling....he obviously doesn't.....or have any clue about ranges/pokerstove.....he's just tossing some chips around.