I have 57k. I havent played a hand in about 45 minutes. Blinds are 500/1000/100 antes. Villain has 220k. Villain is middle aged, lag, classic old guy with money who u want to get in a hand with Playing an absurd amount of hands and 3betting a lot but not a crazy amount.

Utg limps(another old non thinking donk with about 40k). Folds to me in middle position. I make it 3500 with 33. Folds to villain in cutoff and he 3bets to 10k. Limper makes an annoyed remark and then calls the 10k. I was caught off guard about the limper calling which ultimately altered my decision. Action is back to me and at this point im thinking easy call and fold when i dont hit my set. I paused and thought about it for a second and after thinking I thought it would be a good time to use my image and move in with decent fold equity getting a high% of villains range to fold and increase my stack by over 30% without seeing a flop. So I do exactly that and move all in.

Opinion?
Will post result after some responses.

Seems like a pretty standard limp preflop.

See a flop in position usually with good implied odds. Don't risk much. No reason to bloat the pot with action still behind, and a hand that doesn't flop well usually.

Full handed + Donks + Small Pair + 50bbs deep should be a limp in most cases. I would open it from LP, but that's about it

I do not agree that small pps are a standard open limp at a donkish table. However, limping behind with 33 is usually better than raising after limps.

As played, it is probably a fold to the 3-bet. You are getting 4-1, but I am not sure your implied odds are enough with a little more than a psb behind.

open to 2-2.5x and snap fold to the raise

also this should be in MSMTT

It's an MSMTT spot, but $100 under the limit for HSMTT. There is a limp in front, so IMO limp behind is better. I don't like the push, but it is close whether to call the 3-bet closing the action 3-way getting 4-1.

I posted this because I know my play is completely not standard. I appreciate the responses but if you don't like the move please explain why.

Seems unnecessary to risk your tournament life with 33 against a guy that's probably going to call.

sorry didn't see the limp in front - that makes it a clear overlimp, your goal is to set mine for less than 2% of your stack here in a multiway pot

if you can't come up with better spots to shovel in fifty-seven big blinds in a very soft field than this one idk what to tell you, both players have shown plenty of strength and you have a hand that's actually worse than the worst hand you should be iso raising with, so it certainly should never be a shove now

I think limping is best. 33 is not a hand we want to iso with. We can aleady play it profitably with a limp. I would rather iso with a hand I couldnt get away with playing like Q8s or 910off. As played I would tank fold or call pre for the 10k. And be done every time. Not a good place to reship bc.its essentially like a 4bet pre and its live. People often think they have to call the 6500 pre but I think in an mtt its debatable

I would make a Nitty fold pre for 2 main reasons:

1. non-thinking UTG limper is likely to stick around no matter who raises; he likes his hand and wants to see the flop. Building a pot with a hand that is rarely good postflop puts you in an awkward spot for c-betting and risking more of your stack with a weak hand.

2. Raising with small pp isn't likely to accomplish UTG iso with a known LAG with wide 3-bet range behind. Knowing CO profile, you could expect a raise of you limp with your 33.

Your idea of shoving isn't likely going to push CO LAG off the hand since he is deep with 220k. If you shove for your last 53k, it costs CO 53k to win 79k. he can call with perceived 60/40 hands so your fold equity doesn't seem high. I think he's calling your shove with 77+, Axs, KQ, AT+, lots of s-cs.

Easy limp behind. Fold isn't bad either esp if we know co to be someone who will iso / 3b squeeze often. I think you lacked a plan when you iso'd with 33 here and made an uncomfortable situation worse

I dislike a lot of the advice. I think raising a weak limper is the play that I would make most often here as well. The raise size could be smaller though.

I think call 3bet is best and shoving is a bit spewy, but really dependent on read. The problem in this spot is that there is a chance that the drunk will be committed and say F'it and call with a bigger pair than you have (44-TT) or that the 3 bettor may actually have you crushed.

I think overlimp is the best line, as played i prefer just a call

Utg limps(another old non thinking donk with about 40k). Folds to me in middle position. I make it 3500 with 33.

this in combination with the shove is gold

I think as played calling to set mine seems pretty optimistic / bad

It is possible for flopped sets to not win at showdown

Yeh iso is bad and sizing is bad. As played, fold > call > push.

33 probably plays about the same against CO's calling range as 88/AJo/Axs/suited broadway. However, the it looks like you have some sort of hand with your iso sizing, so it doesn't seem like the best spot for him to 3-bet bluff.

Without other reads, I would be a little concerned about the limper. If CO folds, the limper is getting about 2.3-1 to call. He limped and called 10xBB for 1/4 of his stack. He may not do this with his whole limping range. He could have a mid pp or be incorrectly set mining with a small pp. AA/KK is also possible: if he shoved over the 3-bet it would look incredibly strong, but calling looks like some stupid donk. He is probably a bad player, but he can still have a hand.

I agree with the posters who say to limp behind or fold, and to fold rather than call off a big portion of your stack to setmine when there isn't a big enough effective stack to pay you off if you hit (you need your call to be 5% to 8% of the effective stack...and 8% needs to be against a really big hand that will pay you off if you hit).

I'll add that "taking advantage of your image" is nearly always a mistake.

First, it sounds like you're up against players who enter the pot too often and stay in it too long. Those are not the kinds of players that respect anybody's image so your "image" won't slow them down.

Second, most people are not nearly as affected by image as they are by their own hand, their stack size, when the blinds go up next, where the bubble/pay jumps fall, etc. It's just a myth that image is a major factor in fold equity. In some circumstances it might be. But not having played a hand for less than an hour does not give you enough fold equity to shut down either of the opponents you described.

^ this

Also would add that if they respected your image so much they wouldn't be sticking in 10bb each vs your 3.5x to begin with. These guys are dolts just wait for actual good spots, plenty will arise

utg has a stronger range than you think and is prob not folding to your shove

For these types of Vs to see your "image", they must first look past their 2 hole cards . . .

After reading everything I regret my play more and more. I should have added that I had what I thought was a live read. I think this kind of spurred me to shove. I posted this hand because what I did is something out of line and uncommon. With all the circumstances as is, I think my unique "spewy" play wasn't THAT bad though. My biggest regret is exactly what a couple of you mentioned. The tournament was so soft and I could have waited for much better spots which were sure to arise.

Turned out villain had QQ called and eliminated me.