Interesting spot vs bigdog pocket5's.
Venetian 400$ I have 12,000 at 150-300. Starting stack was 12,000. I had played one pot with big dog where he called my bet from bb and folded to my turn bet. Big dogs been very aggressive. Raising it a large % of the time, 3 betting consistently and he had one cold 4 bet pre. His stacks at around 25,000 and he's been up and down, he was up to about 40k. Table is very tough. Two previous event winners at Venetian deep stack, big dog, a older guy who had 60k and was playing decent, and 4-5 other ppl who were all pretty adept with bet sizing, aggression etc. I wouldn't take this spot vs big dog at any easy table bc there's better spots. Blinds are about to be 200-400 so Plan was to try something and if it failed I'd have a nice reshove stack at a very aggro table.
Big dig makes it 700 in mp. I'm directly to his right, 2 from button, and I 3 bet to 1800 with k-8 suited.
Big dog flats. Flop comes 2-9-3 rainbow. He checks. I bet 2k into 4.4k pot and he jams. All thoughts are appreciated such as bet sizing, taking this spot in a tourney i have a goid edge in, but not neccessarily at this table. I thought my bet sizing could've been very small on this flop. I view big dog obv as a very good lag player and that's why it's hard to balance his range here with pairs vs non pairs but I'd think he has mostly pairs and I have to make this sizing very small if I wanna have chance of getting him to fold. My image at the table had to be competent/ semi aggro. I had 3 bet once or twice and was raising every now and then. I had also just chopped down from 18k to this stack when I lost a AQ vs KK hand.

It sounds a lot like you are over adjusting and trying to fight fire with fire. It's okay if you know what you are doing but keep in mind you can also fight fire with water.

It sounds like your on his left, not his right.
I'm not sure why you want to bet small to get him to fold? This thinking is kinda strange, and fundamentally backwards. It's applicable in a few leveling spots but certainly not here.

Anyhow, your line is acceptable I guess, now just fold and be careful with your exploitable plays in the future.

Nice analogy and ya I was to his left is what I meant to say. I'd bet flop small like 800 to see another card if big dog doesn't wanna c/r and see a 4bet with his mid pairs range, give myself the chance of 3 barreling and getting him to maybe fold his mid pairs range, and bc it's a very dry flop flop and you don't need to bet it big if you're trying to rep a big hand. How do you range a laggy villains call range here pre flop vs my stack?

I think you arent really going to be ripping a ton of pots from him. This is also not a flop that a range that flats your 3bet is c/f'ing to. I prob ck back flop and consider a delayed cbet.

Yeh I mean it's close I think though. Think we have to bet some of the time to balance our range, and if we check back it just exposes our range so much. Big Dog's range is what I'm most curious about in this spot. I could see him hooding alot of uncoventional hands here or small-mid pairs. He claims he had an overpair, but I don't see him taking that line because with 10's or J's he's prolly 4 bet inducing pre. If we check back we gotta pray to see a Q-A-K otherwise its really tough to take down pot vs laggy villain who will call off lots of his range if he finds it to be to ridiculous that we'd actually check back flop with overpair.

10s or Js actually make the most sense. His open and your 3bet are not exactly from LP. It's not like he can see your cards and know you're 3betting light.

I think the delayed cbet is probably the best line against Casey as well, but he's going to put you in a tough turn position too.

Just from watching his videos, it's going to depend on the read he has on you. If he thinks his aggression has frustrated you or the table, he's going to take a line like this much weaker because he believes you're playing back weaker.

If the blinds are 200/400, I'm assuming he min raised to 800 and you reraised to 1800. My assumption is he immediatly put you on some sort of suited broadway cards or a medium pocket pair. With QQ+, he would expect you to bump it up to 2,200 or more hoping to get more chips in. With this line of thought, 1010 and JJ are definitely a large part of his range as he's hoping for a flop like this where his shove can look bluffy and maybe you'd call it off with an AK.

Despite what he said though, I still think 88+ and AQs+ are in his range. If he's thinking you're playing back at him, he knows this push is really hard to call and he's willing to risk his decent sized stack in a flip if it's going to mean you putting your tourney life on the line.

flop sizing and c-bet both fine imo. I think you should rather merge ur 3b range against him than polarize it, if u gonna 3b him with k8s I'd rather go 3x even ip

Thanks for the input. I guess 10's or J's could make sense. With his image, I just dont get the lets call a 3 bet oop then sigh get it in on a low board, but I am a live random and it's probably not easy for him to gauge my 3bet. However I'm sure he finds value in playing 10's/J's this way with his image vs the lighter part of people's ranges.
Harby33 the blinds were 150-300. I'm probably not taking this spot at 200-400 because 3bet folding 30ish bb's with K-8 is kind of meh. Good point about playing the 10's/J's in his range to look bluffy.
I still think flop bet vs flop check is close. A sicko like Big Dog probably isnt taking the line of calling a 3bet oop then check giving up this board like Nicholas said, but at the same time I still think I have to put his range to the test some % of the time because this is my 2nd 3 bet in about 2 hours of play with him.

1. Just open pots in position when folded to you, and otherwise play nitty. These guys are gonna be so amped up from shipping it all over each other that when you get a hand you can probably just get it in against some stupid random airballs.

2. In this hand, with your image, I think flatting his open and raising flops is gonna be more profitable than 3betting, but that's a whole different story.

3. As played, this is the driest board ever, he probably just thinks he can blow you off whatever, he probably has like QJs or A5 or something and figures you're folding a lot and if you don't he has a couple outs, but whatever you obv can't call.

4. Checking back is probably fine.

5. Mostly, just don't 3b this hand pre just because you feel like you have to do something. That said your position, stack size, sizing, etc. are all fine. This is a pretty fine play, sucks it didn't work out, stuff happens sometimes, nh and move on.

Worst villain ever to 3bet
Snap fold flop and bet waaay less

Came in here to post most of this but Galen beat me to it. Listen, if you are perceived as an online kid, or a LAG of any sort nobody is going to fold to you live. It's really sick, but you have to adjust. Seriously just ****ing play tight and watch hilarity ensue. Online players will continue to punt it off to you even though your ranges are ridiculously tight and like 99% for value. The majority of people aren't going to adjust. Since it's live poker and it's slow, they may never realize you even adjusted. Just continue to open when it's folded to you so you still look aggressive, but when you 3bet bigdogp5s just do it with a good hand.

"Taking a stand" is completely overrated for the most part. Let the lagtards be lagtards in live poker, and unless there's an amazing spot (this is not a very great spot) you shouldn't take it. Live is so soft, even if your table is relatively tough, that getting in to these wars is idiotic unless you have something decent. You'll get dealt AJs eventually, and he will not want to fold his J9s when you 3bet him. He won't, actually.

Oh yea, either bet way less OTF or check back. People don't check back flops enough in MTTs with a balanced range. It's absolutely fine to check back AA, or 99 here. It's also fine to check back K8. Try it out sometimes.

^^^Excellent advice above. Thanks. Another great point I'll pick up from above is not 3betting just to 3bet playing live, something I'll do a decent amount at tougher tables online. And yeh that's one thing I'm starting to notice, as the guy I'm staying out here with who's pretty experienced at live poker was stressing not 2 play a heavy lag style all the time because some online players are just going to spew live while the live players will call everything regardless of # of hands played because of the percieved, young must be aggressive image. Either that or the old timers will make very bad structural mistakes such as set mining with horrid odds, calling 2 many raises preflop, calling three bets oop alot etc etc.

All of this is so true.
Aggro live players are really really... I think undisciplined is the best way i can put it. Playing in the same tournament today this hand happened:
I minraise UTG (tight image)
Aggro early 30s MP 2.5x my raise
Hyper aggro mid 20s 3x that raise
MP flats, and at showdown shows K7.

No point in trying to fan the flames, just turn over the nuts.

Not meaning to derail, just illustrating why you shouldn't bother fighting back all the time, just let them barrel into you when you've got it since they refuse to release and will put you to a big decision if you let them build a big pot.

I'd say check his twitter, but...