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interesting river Hand in 2k cubed Scoop interesting river Hand in 2k cubed Scoop

05-22-2015 , 07:56 PM
Hi, i played a hand in the 2k Cubed Scoop today..
I asked a few friends about it and there are a lot of different approaches.
Firstly, I won't show my hand, as I would like you guys to guess what my value jamming range and bluffing range is in this spot.
Also pls tell me what your bottom callingrange would be.

Villian is runthistable a good solid reg imo

Cheers guys and gl



    Poker Stars, $2,000 Buy-in (40/80 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36499761

    MP3: 10,709 (133.9 bb)
    CO: 16,674 (208.4 bb)
    BTN: 4,693 (58.7 bb)
    SB: 6,542 (81.8 bb)
    BB: 22,310 (278.9 bb)
    UTG+1: 4,138 (51.7 bb)
    UTG+2: 6,600 (82.5 bb)
    MP1: 14,491 (181.1 bb)
    Hero (MP2): 14,167 (177.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with ::
    3 folds, Hero raises to 204, MP3 folds, CO calls 204, BTN calls 204, 2 folds

    Flop: (732) 4 J 2 (3 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets 402, BTN folds, Hero calls 402

    Turn: (1,536) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets 1,367, Hero calls 1,367

    River: (4,270) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets 3,800, Hero raises to 12,194 and is all-in, CO folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 11,870 pot
    Final Board: 4 J 2 K K
    CO mucked and lost (-5,773 net)
    Hero mucked :: and won 11,870 (6,097 net)



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    Last edited by young_diamond18; 05-22-2015 at 08:25 PM.
    05-22-2015 , 08:09 PM
    Would say your value range is KK and KJ, so would much rather call with Kx than JJ.

    No idea about your bluffing range obv (weak J?), and also whether you open KJo from your position which changes things considerably (1 combo of KJs and 5 combos of KJo).
    05-22-2015 , 10:03 PM
    Saw this hand go down and was already wondering what hand you took this line with, hope you will share results in the end.

    Think your valuerange should not be much wider than KK and KJ. Assuming you fold KJo pre that only 2 combo's. Needless to say you don't need to bluff much, think you should probably bluff with Jsx, blocking KsJs with which chewy will obviously call your shove (dont think he flats any KJo pre).

    Bottom of our callingrange on the river should probably be Kx? and fold 44 and 22. Not sure though, would have to think about it some more.
    05-22-2015 , 10:36 PM
    Now that I think about it you should probably jam JJ for value as well. Then he should probably bluffcatch with a hand like AJ (assuming he gets to the river like this). Curious to hear what people that are better at 100bb+ poker than me have to say about this spot.
    05-22-2015 , 11:14 PM
    Any fh can play like this for value as well as ak could cc And crai otr
    Only bluff should be like 45hh
    (I guess)
    I'd start calling w like every boat that's prolly it
    05-23-2015 , 12:14 AM
    44 (guess).

    i would raised here from 22+ .villain clearly from CO can hold wide range KT+.
    05-23-2015 , 12:23 AM
    thx guys so far..
    hoping for more replies
    forgot to say had 2 sec timebank only if that affects anything..

    will tell my hand after scoop.
    05-23-2015 , 07:03 AM
    im sure you had KJ here - nothing else makes sense.....you prob have no bluffing range here and rightfully so when hes repping fhs/fd's
    05-23-2015 , 07:56 AM
    Cant see you going to the river with 22 or 44, the only hands I see for value from you are AK and JJ. Based on that, you should have very few bluffs, like JTs would be enough I guess.
    05-23-2015 , 09:28 PM
    You should probably bluff with Ah2h whenever you get here like this, which I'm guessing is not often, but that might be enough bluff combos anyways. Bluffing with QJ or similar seems optimistic.
    05-23-2015 , 10:53 PM
    Is villain capable of folding 22 44 here (which beats 0 part of our value range)
    05-24-2015 , 12:23 PM
    RunThisTable is LuckyChewy, right?
    05-24-2015 , 10:41 PM
    think you have JJ here more than 44 or 22, very rare KK here but super super small %.

    KJ in your value range here as well

    for bluff range, maybe Ah/xo or Ahxh

    dont think you have AK here or AJ
    05-25-2015 , 01:00 AM
    greetings, interesting hand indeed. i think its hard for you to bluff too aggressively because of how easy it is for me to have jj or the 1 remaining combo of kjs. that being said i did bet a hand for value i possibly shouldn't be betting as it may be too thin which is qq. it does seem like you have a lot of jx and the k is a good card for me to continue on with my semi-bluffs. look forward to your thoughts as well and nice playing with you :-)
    05-25-2015 , 01:57 AM
    Really interesting hand/thread. I think getting 3 streets from AJ is a bit too optimistic. Would check back turn w QQ and then prob bet/fold riv if checked. Interesting that as played everyone thinks chewys range is super polarized when betting 3 streets here and I could see competent villains leveling themselves into a call with Jx thinking he's repping really thin. If you bet 3 streets w QQ you probably have to be prepared to bet/call the vast majority of Kx combos otherwise you just bet/fold way too many hands.

    Is it confirmed hero had KJss?
    05-25-2015 , 09:30 AM
    sent u a private message andrew
    05-25-2015 , 09:39 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
    You should probably bluff with Ah2h whenever you get here like this, which I'm guessing is not often, but that might be enough bluff combos anyways. Bluffing with QJ or similar seems optimistic.
    why do u think its better to bluff with a2 instead of qj?
    05-25-2015 , 01:58 PM
    would call any Kx or better for sure. I think you turn Jx in to a bluff too often here combinatoricswise so Id be pretty happy with it.

    my guess is JTs.
    05-25-2015 , 02:33 PM
    AJ without the ace of hearts seems ok/possible as well to do it with occasionally

    pretty funny chewy had qq too

    cool hand
    05-25-2015 , 04:57 PM
    hey guys

    Fedor u were right

    Had J10o in the hand i know its a bad open pre..
    and not sure about the turn..
    But on the river i figured i wasnt good against this sizing often enough, and had the J blocker which is in my opinion the best hand if u decide ever to bluff there.
    A big reason for me why i did it, was that i had only 2 seconds left in my timebank ( not sure if thats relevant)... Guesses?
    And that he was uncapped so i can imagine that there are really few people bluffing there..
    + i didnt have history with him.
    But i find it really interesting how different the thoughts are about this hand.. cause i think a lot of people would fold 22 there and a lot would call Kx (which i didnt think of before).

    Was nice playing with u as well andrew

    thanks for posting guys

    Cheers
    gl all in Vegas

    Last edited by young_diamond18; 05-25-2015 at 05:05 PM.
    05-25-2015 , 09:03 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by luckychewy
    greetings, interesting hand indeed. i think its hard for you to bluff too aggressively because of how easy it is for me to have jj or the 1 remaining combo of kjs. that being said i did bet a hand for value i possibly shouldn't be betting as it may be too thin which is qq. it does seem like you have a lot of jx and the k is a good card for me to continue on with my semi-bluffs. look forward to your thoughts as well and nice playing with you :-)
    I think 3 streets with AJ+ is absolutely fine, but the bets are near potsize and in that case it's too much, some weak Jx might already fold to a near-pot turn bet and if not then any Jx will (should) fold or raise to the near potsize river bet. I have no idea about what the best sizing for your range is or whether you want to use different sizings etc, but I think after sizing this turn so large you have to check or bet small on the river with QQ. I'd prefer 500ish into 732, 1175ish into 1732 and 2600ish into 4k for most hands, but I can't imagine I'm better at pretty much icm-free deepstack nlhe than a highstakes cash player.

    Bluff seems pretty good if chewy is as wide as QQ here, even 44 is a bluffcatcher. Against most players you should always call/fold with Jx as they don't bet thinly enough and rarely fold valuehands.
    05-27-2015 , 02:09 AM
    v nice hand, thanks for posting/sharing

    Fedor owning this thread, as always
    05-27-2015 , 06:08 PM
    guess its good if villan is folding everything but KJ/JJ otherwise not a fan....it also hurts that its early in the tournament - the bluff loses slight value given the lack of leverage you gain by him folding.
    05-27-2015 , 09:11 PM
    Honestly your line doesn't make a lot of sense for a value hand, especially this early in the mtt. If I am playing this 2k within my roll I am calling with QQ without tanking for too long. People generally do not c/c, c/c, c/shove river paired boards for value lolz

    Also, haven't played on stars since '11, can you see another player's time bank if it hasn't started?
    05-30-2015 , 04:53 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by doyougnome
    Honestly your line doesn't make a lot of sense for a value hand, especially this early in the mtt. If I am playing this 2k within my roll I am calling with QQ without tanking for too long. People generally do not c/c, c/c, c/shove river paired boards for value lolz

    Also, haven't played on stars since '11, can you see another player's time bank if it hasn't started?
    be more results oriented

          
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