So we are in the midstage, hero has a very active image on the table, however only 2-3 decent players OTT and they don't seem to play back too much and prefer to pick on the weak links since we are super aggro and volatile and have put them in alot of tough spots which lead to mistakes on their part.

1 orbit ago, hero lost a 170k pot pre with AA vs KK and is now sitting around ~42 BB

V in this hand is a good player, thinks we defend our blinds a little too often and will raise larger than standard when we are in the SB/BB.

Blinds are 1k/2k 300a

Hero has 85k, V has 110k

Folds around to V (BU) who raises to 6k
SB Folds,
Hero has QcJc, elects to call since V thinks we have a super wide flatting range, and QJs is not heavy in our flatting range, thinks we will mostly 3bet it.

Flop A25r (Pot ~15k)

Hero checks,
V bets 10k
Hero calls

Thoughts OTF? Bet sizing was a little odd, we've seen him open close to 80% of the BU and think this should be the bottom of our calling range, especially when he attempts to polarize on a dry board which is almost always better for his range.

Turn 7o (rainbow board) (Pot 35k)
Hero checks
V checks

River A (Pot 35k)
Hero goes all in for 69k
V snap calls.

Thoughts on river are, we've played a hand this way before and we made a super think Value bet in this spot, and were good and got called, This V also made a comment on that specific hand saying "you're a sick beast to make that bet", so considering that, I think I value bet TT+ OTR the same way and think V knows this sometimes? maybe not?

The reason I think we can bet TT OTR is because V knows we float alot, double float alot, and call down light in spots, so he will almost never check Ax on turn, he can probably bet any Ax for value OTT. Also think we have a decent amount of Ax in our range as well as some boats

Hero shows QJcc
V shows 66 and wins with two pair


Did he just make a frustration call? I think I generally like the call in the spot since Im value heavy in this spot and look forward to exploiting such players in the future when we are overbetting super thin for value...However at the same time, I am a little concerned at the same time with the snap call, How often is this line perceived as a bluff? if often I'd play all my straights, Ax, TT+ this way, and 66 should be in his folding range, no?

Also would like some thoughts on river bet sizing, my thoughts OTR were V has some 66-99 and K highs in his range and the top of his range being QQ+ Ax, which will obv call. (keep in mind we believe we should negate alot of Ax from his range due to turn check back)

Think it is a good spot to overbet since his calling range is elastic, but wouldn't mind some thoughts OTR

Cf flop
If he's opening that many btns then it's a v ez 3b pre

Yeah I do mostly x/f flop here - However he cbets A high boards 100% of the time when hes the pre aggresson, I should have mentioned that...And I think Qh is good there a decent amount of time.

I appreciate the tips, however I'm more looking for thoughts OTR

He probably just realizes your spazzes are bluffs and also live tells. You should lead turn if you float flop.

Riv. Bet is ok I think and his call is prty ridiculous cause you rly
Should have any air by the riv here
But he's obv not trying to
Hand read he's prolly just like. Big bet. He doesn't wanna call so I'm gonna call

lol which Calgary donk snapped you off with 66 here?

Some Hira guy, he's apparently from Vancouver...plays fairly decent, but I think this was more of a spite call than an educated decision.. was well above average and field was fairly soft.

Had about 60-70 hands on hit, based on the way he plays his squeeze attempts are usually a little too obvious and I've played back and he's given up...

Also kept opening a nit box's BB every single time when he was UTG +1 and I 3bet him everytime, I guess I frustrated him quite a bit.

you dont rep a single value hand other than 22/55 and given your dynamic you probly 3b 77/55 so you really only have 22. To overbet shove this river with Ax would be bad as he probly checks back turns with most of his Ax and won't fold. Basically you are trying to rep hands you can't have into a player who's range is WA/WB so he should call you light.

think flat pre is good cause 3b/folding v that size is poor and he prob just 4b piles it in vs you pretty happily with any pair any decent ace and defends the rest.

just c/f flop

river never underestimate live MTT players' ability to ignore all factors you think should be important in order to service their unending desire to be a huge hero

Can you c/f the flop? Did you consider a smaller bluff sizing OTR?

The problem here as I see it is your image... You would almost always 3bet pre any A and he knows that...you would also 3bet 88+ (probably even more pocket pairs), which means that given your image, your perceived range is pretty much air like 90% of the time... When you shove river you pretty much polarize your range and given your image, your preflop 3betting range and the board, you have air like 90% of the time...

Hmm I appreciate the tips guys. However I am a little surprised how you guys think I 3bet Ax and 55/77....hes gonna be so 4bet pile happy that I'm going to 3bet a more polarized range instead of PPs and decent Ax.

I agree it's a WA/WB spot but I mentioned in the OP that I had a huge flatting range in Bb and I've been flatting AK, TT+ to often protect my flatting range. Although I'd 3bet those in this spot but he's seen me flat those.

All in all I think I'm not used to this live game where people love to hero and spite call to set some tone?

I'm not sure V hero calls here to "get you" or "send a message" - I think he simply had already made up his mind before the relatively safe river card. It seems like you may be giving your opponents too much credit in game.

Why do you have such a huge flatting range? I also don't see why you need to flat AK/TT+ to protect your flatting range. You are closing the action, and can flop big with whatever junk you flatted with. Your are OOP, and maybe shouldn't be always defending. It seems like you should be calling more in position from CO or BTN, not OOP in the BB.

I think there is an argument for folding the flop. You don't have to win every hand. You missed the flop, and it isn't that good a flop to represent on.

You float OOP, which is reasonable if you want to make a play on this kind of flop. If you bluff half pot, it only needs to work 1/4 of the time to be profitable. If you bluff pot, it needs to work 1/2 the time to be profitable. If you bluff twice pot, it needs to work 2/3 of the time. There are situations where overbet bluffing is good, but not sure about this one.

Yeah I agree what you're saying betgo. I think I should give this one up... But I said he thinks I'm defending a lot based on dynamics... I've just happened to get dealt defending hands in BB since he joined table... I was defending 78s+ 44+ A5s+ ATo+KJo+.

I don't think that's too wide? I think I could go wider

However I thought my besize was good since I'm usually value heavy and his calling range is usually somewhat wide so I think half pot is missing value on this River too much... Thoughts? I mean if I have AT here and I want max value I think jamming is good. Maybe not, not sure about bet sizing OTR I still feel it's good though, maybe bad to bluff him but I still don't see if any other sizing is more ideal.

You are not value betting. You are bluffing. It is nice to represent with sizing, but the bluff has to work a lot more if you bet big.

Also, you are representing a weak ace. If you had a good ace, he would expect you to 3bet preflop. If you had a good ace or hit the flop hard, you might lead the flop or turn or c/r the flop or something to try to get stacks in if he had an ace. Not sure you would overshove with a weak ace.

Axx,r is absolutely the perfect flop for the preflop raiser against a BB defender. The defender will 3-bet/gii, 3-bet/fold or fold most aces. JJ-KK also should 3-bet.

It BB had an ace, he might just c/c the river, maybe inducing a bluff and pot controlling, as the raiser could have a good ace. If BB somehow made a set of aces up, he probably wouldn't play it that way c/c, c, and overshove river. So the push represented nothing, which is why it was called so light.

IMO, c/f flop is best.

Are you saying villain doesn't know that you have a capped range? The fact that he snapped an underpair suggests otherwise.

Just c/f flop since the guy with the uncapped range gets to win flops with this texture.

Yeh, defending the BB you are getting about 4.5-1 to a minraise, 3-1 to this 3x, so you don't have to make a play for every pot. As a general rule, you can just c/f ace and king high flops and wet flops that you miss. This hand is pretty badly played, but sort of instructive.

How is his range capped here? What do you guys think he's capped @

He is capped at air or bottom pair.

His preflop range is capped, since he probably 3-bets AQ+/99. That makes it hard for him to hit this flop hard. He also 3-bet/folds or folds a lot of weak aces. It isn't likely he has an ace, particularly a good one. He could have flopped aces up or a set with a weak ace or small pp.

However, this flop hits the raiser's range much harder than the defender's.

So many contradictions in this post^^ by the river the only hand he's repping for value that he can't have is aa or 34o

So just coz he can't have ak aq here his range is
Capped otr?