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Old 06-02-2012, 01:54 AM   #1
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is this an ICM fold?

Four left in the warm up. Tournament was a bit of a shoot at this stage. Small blind was tight but competent and so is shoving fairly wide here. Obviously noone wants to go to showdown as the payjumps ae quite significant, call or fold?

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Old 06-02-2012, 02:55 AM   #2
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Re: is this an ICM fold?

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Old 06-02-2012, 05:39 AM   #3
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Re: is this an ICM fold?

i think this is a pretty clear fold...
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:05 AM   #4
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Re: is this an ICM fold?

what are the pay jumps ? not so sure it's a fold if he's shoving wide here
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:23 AM   #5
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Re: is this an ICM fold?

isnt this a clear call?
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:30 AM   #6
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Re: is this an ICM fold?

way more of a call than a fold but sunday major FT's obv change people's ranges so it's up to you to decide if he is nitting sweaters or playing normal.

sick flop to brick out
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:36 AM   #7
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Re: is this an ICM fold?

Lol at fold. In before some silly math
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Old 06-02-2012, 12:29 PM   #8
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Re: is this an ICM fold?

I think it depends on how bad everyone left is, I could easily see people in this tournament playing scared enough to where your ev of having a r/f stack so you can relentlessly attack is worth more than making a +ev call thats gonna leave you with 10bbs if you lose. Assuming people are decent though and sb is in fact shoving wide (everyone is shoving tighter than you think deep in a tournament like this though) its a shrug-call.
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Old 06-02-2012, 07:23 PM   #9
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Re: is this an ICM fold?

what mement said, really would depend on how i feel about the table
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Old 06-02-2012, 10:08 PM   #10
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we have 16 bbs left if we call and lose

i would prob assess my future edges...if i were against good experienced players id snap call if there were weak spots id fold

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Old 06-03-2012, 02:29 AM   #11
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Re: is this an ICM fold?

call against pretty much anyone, we have the nuts here
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Old 06-03-2012, 04:17 AM   #12
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Re: is this an ICM fold?

According to the ICM calculator, if SB's shoving 45%, you're cutoff calling hands are QJo and QTs. So yeah, you have to call it unless SB's a scared nit or the table's letting you run them over.
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Old 06-03-2012, 08:23 PM   #13
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sigh call
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:03 AM   #14
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Re: is this an ICM fold?

ok thanks for the responses, thought it was a really borderline decision, still not 100% sure about my call but at least i won't lose sleep at night :-)
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