Thoughts?? i don't love 4 betting pre....folding flop is obv ok...but i have so many backdoors...after the hand i realize ck raising>>>>ck calling... giving me the ability to shove enough turn cards.

all in all i played that hand bad...

Nope you didn't get owned, you tried to bluff a fish

Mostly not a good idea

I first thought he valuebet the river with 22 and you called. That would be "I got owned"!

When he checks at turn its because he is afraid you had flush. So prove him right by pushing all in or betting something and then 22 would have never called unless the guy is a total idiot that is taken to value town regularly in hopes to catch some heroic bluff to make his day. At turn you basically think like this;

The guy didnt continue betting as if afraid of flush risk and if he had a big hand he would want to protect it or bet something to avoid being bluffed by the flush prospect or get a raise response that screams flush and save more chips from later. Its doubtful that he had a big hand and checked it after preflop and flop action. Now you have 2 overcards so its 6 outs possibly good and you also have 9 outs in diamonds with only one shared out Qd and so your equity is about 14 outs or ~28% if all goes to hell and get called.

Now you would have bet 5096 to take down 5895 and if he folds f fraction of time and wins all the time your outs dont come even if we dropped your effective winning outs to 20% in case they werent enough in some situations (although you block at least QQ and AA risks by 50% and AJ,A9 are less likely as played overall) you would need f to be;

f*(5895+5096)+(1-f)*(5895+5096*2)*20%>5096 or f>24% to be plus EV choice.

If you wanted it to be better than checking you need to compare it with roughly 5895*20%+5096=6272 if no more bets were called/made when you hit the river, then f would have to be f>39.3%.

So lets say that if the guy folds 40%of the time we are ok with the push being better than other choices. I think its reasonable to think a guy that played this way folds 25-40% of the time here to at least make the bluff ok and towards 40% to make it even better than all else. Alternatively if the table is full of loose bad players and calling stations you can check and avoid spending anything further saving chips.


As played i dont like the bet at river because it gets called very often (it has limited credibility as a real hand as played because why check the turn and then bet a second 9 as played, what hand do you have preflop that has 9 in it that played this way preflop for your stack size and what other made hand doesnt bet the turn after a check but bets the second 9) unless the guy had nothing and had shut it down but even then you may not always face a bet at river anyway if you checked it. Its not entirely bad to bet like you did but i think it works better at turn as a push or you shut it down completely there. Its just that if he has something, even not a lot, he may decide to call purely because he needs to be right only some 24-25% of the time or something and he has something probably more often than that.

I also might fold the flop. I think calling the 3bet preflop (by non very tight player) to hit A or Q at flop is ok because you can extract more chips if it happens eventually there or in later streets because you will be facing cbets likely to capture enough for your 34-35% hit probablity and you may also get some draw cases that make sense to continue even when not hitting.

Think his range is to strong to x/r flop, call for this price seems mandatory. Does leading turn make sense?

donk shove turn

what do you rep?

i like leading turn like 1.8k ish

Correction meant to say we push at turn not bet after opponent checks. I got positions wrong. Since we have the nut flush draw with Ad the chance as played preflop that opponent has a flush is much smaller than we do in his eyes and by pushing he is now afraid we have it and because of spr we push for max value or because our flush is not top to protect it etc and if called so be it we get max value (i mean you dont always bet little to be called as value bets, sometimes you bet a lot to look like a bluff which it is here but they cant know it and the EV may be similar moreover the fact they call less often.)

Of course that changes what i said above due to positions and the check that comes after we did check is unimportant to the hand to help extract information when we needed it which would be ideal if he was first to act and checked. So skip that part, sorry. But its still true what i said about the fraction of time he folds to a push and although its less secure now to push it still doesnt require a huge fold probability to make it unrealistic because we have the semibluff equity too.

I think either kill action at flop or shut it down and dont bet the river depending on images if available. But i still like the push option at turn because it is consistent with calling flop because we had a draw and also consistent with not betting preflop that is fitting to a flush draw AXs type hand that was not a top pair kind of hand to 4bet but just call instead.

Your hand wins at showdown some % idk if I even wanna bluff river tbh.
But if you do, I'd prolly just be betting 90-110% psb. Or just open shove riv. Your sizing just makes him call w a lot of his range

was about to type this

also pre is very debatable

Why debatable? You pay 26% of flop pot size to hit A,Q or something that keeps your equity high at flop (happens over 35% of time) plus will face a cbet to add more to that or get something on future streets. Overall you will be protected when dominated by not hitting your hand as often (ie vs QQ what is the chance to get Q at flop? or vs AK what is the chance you get A and not a Q also etc - i mean you get all his stack then in that rare event vs not lose all your stack in the other also rare but more often cold deck case etc) and lose only to some rare sets or KK,AA when you hit Q and other cold deck type things which do not add up to a lot though unless opponent is very tight which then requires very careful post flop play. Only his bluffs alone are enough though to get you to a plus EV to call preflop. 4betting is not exactly a good idea though unless you know the guy is making moves often and you rely on 2 blockers for fold equity but i think calling is superior even then just because you will hit often enough to get a lot of profit even if the majority of time you do not go further than flop.

You effectively get the right odds vs a number of pairs that 3bet you here from 99 to KK and many bluffs.

Sizing is a bit too harsh - I would shove turn since we have all the big pairs and we can execute this credibly. You don;t want to have to reach a showdown in a tough spot, so take it down while you have the opportunity to confuse him/fold out any hands that he thinks your percieved Jx or PPs beside 66 or KQs, 910s would beat though this player isn't good enough to make a fold with 22 evidently by his awful playback to your line.

ur opponent is an idiot who cares

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