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Huge pot WSOP ME Michael Ruane vv James Obst - final 27 ME - ranges? Huge pot WSOP ME Michael Ruane vv James Obst - final 27 ME - ranges?

08-02-2016 , 02:45 PM
Its a good thing it only took 41 posts(only half were betgos) to learn that Obst allegedly played mixed games too aggressively 5-7 years ago great analysis and breakdown of his game.
08-02-2016 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cdfj
Its a good thing it only took 41 posts(only half were betgos) to learn that Obst allegedly played mixed games too aggressively 5-7 years ago great analysis and breakdown of his game.
You guys keep totally misrepresenting what I said, and complain I respond. Your reading comprehension is terrible. So many idiots in the forum. I said he is effective in playing aggressively and outplaying people in mixed games tournaments, but has technical leaks in his mixed games play.
08-02-2016 , 03:14 PM
Can you just drop it?
08-02-2016 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Alexo
Can you just drop it?
I'll drop it when morons stop totally misrepresenting what I said.
08-02-2016 , 03:42 PM
that was the plural form of you
08-02-2016 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by betgo
You guys keep totally misrepresenting what I said, and complain I respond. Your reading comprehension is terrible. So many idiots in the forum. I said he is effective in playing aggressively and outplaying people in mixed games tournaments, but has technical leaks in his mixed games play.
You mean technical leaks like playing too aggressive.
08-02-2016 , 08:12 PM
omg what the **** does technical leaks in a 10 razz have to do with WSOP: huge hand v obst and ruane? just stop man do us all a favour. some of your posts are really well throught out and show good working etc, ur coming off as a butthurt babblin idiot in here tho. last post on the subject cant wait to see this hand on espn gl all
08-02-2016 , 08:27 PM
I think both of these players had very strong holdings and the hand played out accordingly.
08-03-2016 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by betgo
I kept responding to other posters attacks. I was not canning Obst's game. I said he made numerous technical mistakes in limit games. However, he obviously is still good in limit game MTTs. He plays an aggressive game which works in those tournaments. For example he plays more aggressively with draws and so on than most players in those tournaments. I am not sure totally what he does, but from my experience playing him online, he takes advantage of weak amateurs and limit cash regs in the cash and final table bubble stages.

So other players have other leaks in limit MTTs. It can be difficult to play short stack versus big stack in limit where you can't push preflop. There are many mixed game cash regs in these 10Ks, some of them older, who are not good at MTT play.

I was watching the 10K razz final table with hole cards. It is standard in razz when the next to the last player with a low card completes to raise with a 3-card low. Almost no one was doing that. Ray D., who won the tournament, was raising in that situation with 378 or whatever, which was way ahead of the opener's range. People were playing passively because it was late in a tournament and there were ICM issues or something, or they might just be passive players.

Aside from Mercier's results, Look at Hellmuth. He won the razz 10K another year. He used to have all his bracelets in NLHE events. He still does well in them, but they have big fields, and obviously has leaks, such as not knowing how to play short stacked at all. Hellmuth also makes numerous technical mistakes in limit games, but he wins tournaments. He plays MTTs better than mixed cash games regs and mixed games better than young MTT players in those tournaments.

I am not sure why I am not allowed to say Obst makes technical mistakes in limit games. I made several comments on RIO about his limit games videos. If you watch the last 6 or so episodes of the 10K HORSE final table, Ray D. makes about 30 comments on plays by Obst, along the lines of "I can't believe he did that." The other poster commented on that and I was agreeing with him.

Sorry if this post further offends some people further. I am not a top player in either limit games or MTTs, but I understand enough of both to see why Obst beats limit MTTs. I don't see why I need to be an authority to post on something like this.
fk man, you just don't get it

astro makes some comment about mixed games and you respond. you respond in a way that some people may object given your skill level compared to the calibre of player you're critiquing, but whatever, we do that on 2+2 all the time.

however, it's pointed out that neither comment is actually on topic in this thread. for some reason you ignore the fact that the entire thing is irrelevant to a good thread with some interesting hand discussion and start defending your opinion. this is the very definition of a thread derail. probably the clearest ever example i've seen of it.

but then it continues. you keep arguing this off-topic nonsense, not caring that it's detracting from and further derailing an interesting thread. the arrogance and narcissism is just breathtaking. you have no regard for the other posters in this forum who are talking about a hand. the only thing you care about is your precious dented ego and the horrific thought that someone may be challenging your authoritay.

does that make it clearer? do you now understand why half the poster in thsi thread told you to just stfu? bring your opinion on Obst mixed games up in a thread about a mixed game hand where it may be relevant.
08-03-2016 , 05:45 PM
Not gonna spoil it ITT but in an interview here with Michael Ruane he says what he and Obst had this hand:

http://www.espn.com/blog/poker/post/...hile-it-lasted
08-03-2016 , 05:47 PM
this was posted already
08-03-2016 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Alexo
this was posted already
lol cool.
08-17-2016 , 10:32 PM
So which boat did Obst have?
08-17-2016 , 11:07 PM
The article says he had 45cc
08-19-2016 , 07:39 AM
?? In the Ruane ESPN article, Ruane says he had a straight flush and Obst had a boat.
08-21-2016 , 10:47 PM
Ruane explicitly claimed he had a straight flush in an interview w/ ESPN.
He had 9c8c with Ruane also talked about Obst having a "boat", whilst not specifying how big the boat was.
Sick hand.
08-22-2016 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by herbalerv
He is said to have told friends that on the river he had Obst on 77 and didn't think he could call a shove when he still had QQ and JJ in his range and Obst wouldn't expect him to turn a flush into a bluff so that's what he did, apparently.
HAHAHAHAH I bet that's what happened

Although if he is a bad enough bluffer to tell that story, then I suppose anything is possible

I've probably seen/heard 50 hands like this in the WSOP the last several years where people spazz baby bets at each other and by the river everyone is supposedly folding sets and flushes and boats, and I don't even read updates. I would believe that Ruane had the straight flush, although flop is very bad

Edit- 45c??!! Oh man that's awesome haha

Last edited by ActionJeff; 08-22-2016 at 12:37 PM.
08-22-2016 , 11:47 PM
doesnt matter what he had hes bad at limit badugi Huge pot WSOP ME Michael Ruane vv James Obst - final 27 ME - ranges?
08-25-2016 , 04:35 AM
my poker bucket list includes one day pwning the PL badeucy leg of a 20-game
but i want to hear more about the 'turning flush into a bluff' in this (guaranteed) NLHE hand
do we have anything further on above said rumors?

Last edited by oldsilver; 08-25-2016 at 04:42 AM.
08-25-2016 , 09:29 AM
The main point I was trying to make about Obst's limit mixed game play is that my impression of his play in general is that it is aggressive, unpredictable, and not always technically correct. Therefore, although it looks from the action like he had 77, I would not be so sure of that. I guess they will show the hand in October. I should make good TV.
08-25-2016 , 08:00 PM
Huge pot WSOP ME Michael Ruane vv James Obst - final 27 ME - ranges? inbefore 100 posts on this saying 'i told ya' lol
09-27-2016 , 03:22 AM
Grunch

98cc for Ruane vs 77 for Obst give me my prize

Edit: Wow sorta sick I swear to God this was a legit grunch. People aren't ever bluffing here (it's 2016) and there are just very very few value combos for each that make sense. Ruane would definitely play 98cc exactly like this and not many other hands. Obst's blocker bet on river feels like a bet made by a very strong hand that simply cannot be good if Ruane still shoves over it, but will be put in a sick spot if he checks and gets shoved on, so he elects to b/f feeling confident that Ruane won't turn flushes and other weaker made hands into bluffs.
10-17-2016 , 01:04 AM
Here it is. Very good play from Obst indeed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afLNCli6o4Q
10-17-2016 , 04:24 AM
would be sick if Ruane turned JQ into a bluff like this.. but almost impossible i guess
10-17-2016 , 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by linhtrinh
Here it is. Very good play from Obst indeed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afLNCli6o4Q
Thanks!

      
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