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Originally Posted by betgo
I kept responding to other posters attacks. I was not canning Obst's game. I said he made numerous technical mistakes in limit games. However, he obviously is still good in limit game MTTs. He plays an aggressive game which works in those tournaments. For example he plays more aggressively with draws and so on than most players in those tournaments. I am not sure totally what he does, but from my experience playing him online, he takes advantage of weak amateurs and limit cash regs in the cash and final table bubble stages.
So other players have other leaks in limit MTTs. It can be difficult to play short stack versus big stack in limit where you can't push preflop. There are many mixed game cash regs in these 10Ks, some of them older, who are not good at MTT play.
I was watching the 10K razz final table with hole cards. It is standard in razz when the next to the last player with a low card completes to raise with a 3-card low. Almost no one was doing that. Ray D., who won the tournament, was raising in that situation with 378 or whatever, which was way ahead of the opener's range. People were playing passively because it was late in a tournament and there were ICM issues or something, or they might just be passive players.
Aside from Mercier's results, Look at Hellmuth. He won the razz 10K another year. He used to have all his bracelets in NLHE events. He still does well in them, but they have big fields, and obviously has leaks, such as not knowing how to play short stacked at all. Hellmuth also makes numerous technical mistakes in limit games, but he wins tournaments. He plays MTTs better than mixed cash games regs and mixed games better than young MTT players in those tournaments.
I am not sure why I am not allowed to say Obst makes technical mistakes in limit games. I made several comments on RIO about his limit games videos. If you watch the last 6 or so episodes of the 10K HORSE final table, Ray D. makes about 30 comments on plays by Obst, along the lines of "I can't believe he did that." The other poster commented on that and I was agreeing with him.
Sorry if this post further offends some people further. I am not a top player in either limit games or MTTs, but I understand enough of both to see why Obst beats limit MTTs. I don't see why I need to be an authority to post on something like this.
fk man, you just don't get it
astro makes some comment about mixed games and you respond. you respond in a way that some people may object given your skill level compared to the calibre of player you're critiquing, but whatever, we do that on 2+2 all the time.
however, it's pointed out that neither comment is actually on topic in this thread. for some reason you ignore the fact that the entire thing is irrelevant to a good thread with some interesting hand discussion and start defending your opinion. this is the very definition of a thread derail. probably the clearest ever example i've seen of it.
but then it continues. you keep arguing this off-topic nonsense, not caring that it's detracting from and further derailing an interesting thread. the arrogance and narcissism is just breathtaking. you have no regard for the other posters in this forum who are talking about a hand. the only thing you care about is your precious dented ego and the horrific thought that someone may be challenging your authoritay.
does that make it clearer? do you now understand why half the poster in thsi thread told you to just stfu? bring your opinion on Obst mixed games up in a thread about a mixed game hand where it may be relevant.