Personally, i apoligize, @ the thread.

I didnt mean to attack, it just seemed irrational, the attack @ Mr. Obst

but eh, Watevs

I apologize also.

Im baffled at how everyone failes to remember (or find out google/fb) that Ruane(2 brother Michael and Sean) is farfrom a rec and in fact is the artist formerlyknown as 99nvrlosez (if you played mtts 5+yrsback tou should def rem him)

http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/99nvrlosez/

Also, who doesnt rem this good ole story

http://www.northjersey.com/news/mayw...ings-1.1204073

Who doesnt remember 99nvrlose?

Was very good friends with Czar if I remember correctly.

wow. way to look incredibly butthurt betgo. coming in and flaming someone for being bad at mixed games pre BF in a 2016 thread about nlhe HSMTT lol :s :s id bet my grandmother on obst being a crusher in any format he puts work in, kids insanely good and only 25 <3

be interesting to see what there holdings were, insane if obst had 77

did they get the funds taken from them?

Ahhh so he's 99nvrlosez, that's pretty cool. Played against him a ton back in the day, it always makes me happy when some midstakes reg makes the nov9. Gives hope to the rest of us mortals.

There are 7 MTT regs (or bad regs by Doug Polk's definition) who had been ranked top 100 in p5s (2 ranked no.1 for multiple times) making the Nov 9. Sick FT even with 5 high stake cash regs (or "good regs") busto from 13-20th, #pokerisagameofskillwhenstacksare****indeep

doug polk saying someone is bad, doesnt mean there bad tho, even the most elite MTTers will never be as good as doug, a nosebleed cash, hu no and plo specialist. hes just better at poker overall than most as hes consistantly played against better players in deeper stacked scenarios with wider ranges than most mtters will.

'Report
TheFatFISH on Full Tilt. He's a P5s Triple Crown winner who took down the Full Tilt $1k on back-to-back Mondays for a combined total of more than $90k. James "Andy McLEOD" Obst is one of the top online poker players in the country of Australia and worldwide, with a $76k cash from a PokerStars Sunday Million final table in August '08. One week later, he won the FTOPS Razz event for $40k. In September '08, he continued his winning ways with an outright victory in the WCOOP Pot Limit Omaha event for $98k. He also placed 2nd in the PokerStars Sunday Warm-Up on the last Sunday of December '08 for $101,500.

His largest online tournament cash to date came in April '09, when he won the PokerStars SCOOP $3,000+150 6-max Mixed Hold'em event for $188,000 after defeating fellow PocketFiver Steve "gboro780" Gross heads-up. In August '09, James placed 5th in the FTOPS XIII Main Event for $127,200 and followed that up with a February '10 victory in the Titan Poker $250k Guaranteed for $56,700. Known for being successful at both high stakes cash games and multi-table tournaments, Andy is thought by many to be a world class talent on his way to becoming a multi-millionaire.'

but he sucks at mixed games pre BF so he must be terrible :|

I said he makes some basic technical mistakes in limit games. I didn't say he doesn't do well in mixed games tournaments. I said he wins with his aggressive style and MTT and poker skills despite this. If you watch the videos of $10K HORSE tournament or his mixed games videos on RIO, you will see what I mean. I thought I made myself clear before.

Pls for once and for all, STOP!

He would if other posters didn't repeatedly claim what a crusher Obst is at mixed games.

no, you don't apologize at all.

in fact, your apology was in itself further blatant oneupmanship. someone apologized before you and you thought you could apologize even more profoundly than the person before you, who, as it turns out, was apologizing on behalf of the thread, for you, you cockwomble.

as much as the methspunk thread had me in fits of laughter and as much as i enjoyed writing the above sentence with so many commas, YOUR OPINION OF THIS PLAYER IN MIXED GAMES OF ANY DESCRIPTION HAS NO FKG BEARING OR RELEVANCE TO THIS THREAD AND YOU ARE IN NO POSITION TO CRITIQUE A PLAYER FKG LIGHT YEARS ABOVE YOU IN SKILL IN ANY CASE.

let me make it clearer. this WSOP ME that we speak of - it is not a mixed game tournament. the entire tournament is played with a single popular poker variant known as Texas HoldEm. look it up. i guarantee this is true. furthermore, and i know this is astonishing, and it certainly deserves more commas, it is played as a NO LIMIT tournament where any player can elect to wager all their chips, at any time, no matter the blind level.

so, let me recap, if i may. this thread, which i started, is about a no limit hold em hand at the pointy end of a very large no limit holdem tournament and the two players involved are playing no limit hold em. i hope that is now clear.

but if it was horse he would of got 29th cos he sucks @ mixed games 6 years ago

Whats your ****ing problem? He has at no ****ing time said a single word about Obsts NL game. Your entire tantrum is based around some kind of strawman where betgo has claimed that Obst SUCKS at NL. It just seems to be the hip thing to do to critiscize betgo whenever he says something. He did not even bring up the limit/mixed games stuff himself but astro did so calm down lol.

Thanks for answering your own rant.

Betgo doesn't deserve much if any of the abuse he gets around here. His point on Obst was not highly relevant but definitely an interesting color fact, and didn't warrant a thread derail.

No Howard, I asked nicely twice three pages ago as per above.

Neither player involved in this hand gave their consent to this thread discussion. It's therefore imperative to remain courteous and on topic. This isn't an anonymous thread. It's highly visible. Some of us have played and will play again with James in live events in Australia and I don't want the guy coming up to me and saying 'hey thanks for making that thread ****canning my game' simply because betgo took it upon himself to engage in this off topic nonsense.

betgo's comments have neither relevance nor authority and should have stopped immediately. The fact they have continued for pages is disgraceful.

I kept responding to other posters attacks. I was not canning Obst's game. I said he made numerous technical mistakes in limit games. However, he obviously is still good in limit game MTTs. He plays an aggressive game which works in those tournaments. For example he plays more aggressively with draws and so on than most players in those tournaments. I am not sure totally what he does, but from my experience playing him online, he takes advantage of weak amateurs and limit cash regs in the cash and final table bubble stages.

So other players have other leaks in limit MTTs. It can be difficult to play short stack versus big stack in limit where you can't push preflop. There are many mixed game cash regs in these 10Ks, some of them older, who are not good at MTT play.

I was watching the 10K razz final table with hole cards. It is standard in razz when the next to the last player with a low card completes to raise with a 3-card low. Almost no one was doing that. Ray D., who won the tournament, was raising in that situation with 378 or whatever, which was way ahead of the opener's range. People were playing passively because it was late in a tournament and there were ICM issues or something, or they might just be passive players.

Aside from Mercier's results, Look at Hellmuth. He won the razz 10K another year. He used to have all his bracelets in NLHE events. He still does well in them, but they have big fields, and obviously has leaks, such as not knowing how to play short stacked at all. Hellmuth also makes numerous technical mistakes in limit games, but he wins tournaments. He plays MTTs better than mixed cash games regs and mixed games better than young MTT players in those tournaments.

I am not sure why I am not allowed to say Obst makes technical mistakes in limit games. I made several comments on RIO about his limit games videos. If you watch the last 6 or so episodes of the 10K HORSE final table, Ray D. makes about 30 comments on plays by Obst, along the lines of "I can't believe he did that." The other poster commented on that and I was agreeing with him.

Sorry if this post further offends some people further. I am not a top player in either limit games or MTTs, but I understand enough of both to see why Obst beats limit MTTs. I don't see why I need to be an authority to post on something like this.

Betgo:

It is often more effective to simply ignore attacks on you around here rather than to defend yourself. You've already made the underlying point several times.

Obst should thank the OP for betgo's comments identifying leaks in Obst's game. Really.

Its because this HH is for NLHE not LHE. Limit games should not have even been brought up, thats why people are pissed.

I didn't bring it up. Astro brought it up. I was just responding to his post, and agreeing with it and elaborating on it.

I guess this Obst is currently considered a poker God, and you aren't allowed to say anything implying there are any leaks in his play. I wasn't criticizing, but analyzing his style, and strengths and weaknesses. In these high stakes mixed game MTTs, everyone makes big mistakes in some games or MTT strategy, which makes them interesting. It was more extreme with mixed games, but I had similar impressions of his NLHE MTT style, so I thought it was relevant to this thread, as well as answering Astro's post.

There is a mentality on the site with group think, where only certain things are acceptable to post. It doesn't matter how crazy, but it is OK to attack certain things and people, but others must be treated as Gods.

DN has posted about how this site has repeatedly allowed people to post malicious libel about him. Libel and defamation campaigns are fine, but don't say anything mildly critical of certain people. This site is malware.