Can you please post more often david

You have me on ignore? So maybe you didn't see my question about whether Duane was a random/rec. Can anyone show he is a random/rec? What is his occupation? Chuck Bass says he is a reg. People can play online or live cash and not have huge live major MTT "earnings".

If Obst did have 77, maybe better to bet more than 1/4 pot for value OTR, and be more committed if raised. With Obst, it is not so clear what he had.

I heard on a Pokernews podcast that he is a pro, he moved abroad after BF to grind online MTTs and moved back to NJ after online was legalized there. He has purposefully been coy about his online names so people can't research him. So I think you can assign midstakes MTT reg knowledge to him.

i rarely put ppl on ignore for bad advice

ur criticisms of obst in mixed/general are just laughable considering how much you lack credibility as an 'expert' (which has been repeated and detailed thoroughly over the yrs by many ppl). your location is literally what i would put as my location if i made a parody account of you...........

I played him in mixed games and limit games MTTs before BF and watched some of his videos for those games on RIO. It is ridiculous that RIO considers those elite videos you have to pay $100/month to watch. He plays limit games like an Internet kid and an Australian. I don't think those games are spread live in Australia. He plays those games like an aggressive NLHE Internet player, which can make him dangerous despite the technical errors. I was surprised, however, that he had so much success in those games at this WSOP.


this post is just nonsense, sounds like something hellmuth would say and has no place or relevance in this thread at all lol. not gonna break it down.



and to be fair didnt realise duane is not a random/rec, changes things a little (like how likely he will show and so on) but not really (in my post)

That was my impression playing Obst in mixed games MTTs before BF. I realize he may have gotten better and he didn't have the huge reputation back then.

I gave some examples of the hands he was playing. There are many others I don't remember. In limit games, you can't just play junk and bluff with it, except maybe in steal position. If you don't know stud8, you don't complete (T4)K,r into 5 low cards. You need to have split kings or another buried high pair, or maybe A-wheel with a live 3-flush. It is even sort of a marginal complete with a K in that situation without AA or rolled up kings though. I think it was JJ83 ss he cold 4-bet from the button in limit O8. If you don't know what is wrong with that, I won't explain it. There were many other errors like that in his videos. I let my RIO subscription lapse though, and don't remember them all. Ray D. was pointing out error after error in his HU and 3-handed HORSE play, although some of the points he made seemed subtle to me.

I indicated that Obst obviously has incredible poker and tournament skills to do as well as he has in limit games without really knowing how to play the games. I am not sure what your point is, that I have low credibility and don't know how to play limit games? I am not an expert, but I can certainly critique Obst technically.

As you probably know, I put that location up due to a defamation campaign on a rogue site that libels its own advertisers.

I may not be an expert in the latest HSMTT plays. However, I certainly did get the results indicated in the location, and do know the fundamentals of HORSE games, which Obst obviously does not. He is a great player, and I certainly would not want to play him HU HORSE, as his aggressive play is probably effective HU, even though Mercier took him apart HU.

They have incredible videos showing all hands at the WSOP final tables on youtube. If you know how to play HORSE games, then you might want to look at the HORSE 10K one. You will see how Obst plays. Particularly interesting are the last video or two with Ray D's commentaries.

i would much rather read betgo posts than most of these condescending, rude, and usually still uninformed posters that frequent the forum these days

the mixed game criticisms seem legitimate to me

i'd say that most of the people calling each other 'idiots' should be the ones given a forum timeout, except this forum is notorious for its zero modding

people like RalphWaldoEmerson, Mad1Lee, ebet33, in this thread rooooktaker, are just net negatives to the forum regardless of how many half vitriol, half strategy posts they make

You all could learn a bit of tact from betgo, that is for sure

It's a nice wall of text but don't get why any of obst mixed game criticism is relevant and why there's now 10-15+ paragraphs about it in this thread?

Good question

I was responding in more detail to your criticism of my criticism of Obst's mixed game play. Since you obviously don't know why you don't open in ep and cold 4-bet with junk in limit games, I won't explain it to you. It may be that as a sicko you can get away with it in NLHE, but it isn't anywhere near GTO. Also, if you don't know why (AT)K,r in stud8 and JJ83ss in O8 are marginal hands, I won't explain that further.

Your argument seems to be that you know nothing about mixed games, but Betgo is not an expert on the latest plays in NLHE HSMTT, as demonstrated by Stealthmunk, you shouldn't listen to him on anything.

Why the betgo hate? He consistently explains himself and helps the forum. He doesn't start personal attacks. On this issue, it seems marginally relevant that Obst makes very basic mixed-game mistakes. Betgo acknowledged those weren't NLH issues. But they do describe someone who is willing to play without a solid theory grounding.

This forum is better when people add what they can to it, rather than start unnecessary dick-size fights.

Just came across this article, confirms Ruane had straight flush and is not a rec.
http://espn.go.com/blog/poker/post/_...hile-it-lasted

Ruane's whole line only really makes sense with a straight flush. The small bet OTT doesn't really make sense with a plain flush. With the straight flush, he wants a set to draw to a boat and a high flush draw to draw to a flush. Not saying the small bet was a good play.

winner winner...

"I was actually never all-in the whole tournament," he said. "I just had showdowns versus smaller stacks that I was like 5-for-6. I had a hand [on Sunday] where I backdoored a flush. That was a huge hand. [On Monday], I had a huge hand versus James Obst where I had a straight flush and he had a boat, and I shoved and he folded."

well said

My comments on Obst's mixed game play were relevant for various reasons. I was responding to another poster's remarks about how the commentators were constantly talking about his technical errors at the HORSE $10K final table. I was agreeing that his technical mixed game play was terrible, based on experience playing with him, his videos , and the final table with hole cards and commentary.

I thought it said a lot about the player that he came in 2nd in a $10K HORSE MTT with a strong field, a large part high stakes mixed games regs, including regulars at the $1500/3000 game at Bellagio with Doyle and so on, without really knowing how to play mixed games.

It is an interesting bet/fold, and it indicates that Obst plays a lot on feel and reads. He may have even put Duane on a straight flush based on the turn sizing and so on.

The other thing to note about Ruane's turn sizing is that he was giving a set or nut flush draw odds to call him, assuming Ruane had a flush.

ahhh
the futility

Ruane is holla@yoboy no?

No that's Gordon

Mandatory damn I'm good self-quote

I still really dislike Obst's line given that he did indeed have 77 (whether or not he's generally good is irrelevant).

So how would you play this hand perfect(not knowing Ruanes cards.)
I think the majority(i would) go broke or close to broke depending on Ruanes bet otr.
So how bad was Obst line then?

I'd start by not 3betting the flop 120bb+ deep

I'll follow Chuck's lead with the mandatory congratulatory self-quote.

First to put Obst on exactly 77. Brag.

theres now 10-20 posts itt about mixed games, how is that tactful? is it necessary to debate each persons perceived skill level by some random anecdote or opinion? was betgo the mixed game god to even be judging someone? and again, why does it matter itt? does not seem like tact to me