We where the last 3 players in the tourney

if the guy his 3bet range is QQ+, its a v.good fold. ;-)..

This hand happened on stars.fr in sunday special. both players are random french players. If 3 better was solid player it super easy shove, but against passive french guy i am not so sure. In game i ended up shoving. But if i think about his small 3 betting range, i am not super happy when i shove. Would you ever fold this in game guys?

Poker Stars €91+€9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t4000/t8000 Blinds + t1000 - 9 players
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UTG+1: t109729 M = 5.23
UTG+2: t470035 M = 22.38
MP1: t164806 M = 7.85
MP2: t555373 M = 26.45
CO: t228388 M = 10.88
BTN: t582060 M = 27.72
SB: t933604 M = 44.46
Hero (BB): t202429 M = 9.64
UTG: t184456 M = 8.78

Pre Flop: (t21000) Hero is BB with J J
3 folds, MP1 raises to t16000, MP2 raises to t36000, 3 folds, Hero ???

how passive is passive ? still looks like a shove , you dont srsly expect him to make it more or worse w TT , dont you ?

From the 265 KO. No dynamics really.

^fold.

It's a KO and you cover him. He wants you to call imo.

Edit: I mean, he'll think you're more likely to call when he makes it obvious there is a bounty up for grabs.

Yeah trivial fold without read that the guy is an aggrospew

My 2 cents
Shove
Shove
fold

@shaniac fold, but Super snap AK. I'd call TT+ AK I think. I think his most likely hand is AK.

bump for this quick hand

PokerStars Hand #90752018667: Tournament #660010505, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2012/12/14 15:46:18 ART [2012/12/14 13:46:18 ET]
Table '660010505 22' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Xandre6108X (18811 in chips)
Seat 2: MAMOHT_T (5905 in chips)
Seat 3: LlKE A G6 (7546 in chips)
Seat 4: Poeira4 (11048 in chips)
Seat 5: Wallentin72 (23355 in chips)
Seat 7: leitalopez (6020 in chips)
Seat 8: Alchemist173 (12386 in chips)
Seat 9: DMS75 (6385 in chips)
Xandre6108X: posts the ante 20
MAMOHT_T: posts the ante 20
LlKE A G6: posts the ante 20
Poeira4: posts the ante 20
Wallentin72: posts the ante 20
leitalopez: posts the ante 20
Alchemist173: posts the ante 20
DMS75: posts the ante 20
Xandre6108X: posts small blind 100
MAMOHT_T: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to leitalopez [Kh Jc]
LlKE A G6: folds
Poeira4: folds
Wallentin72: raises 200 to 400
leitalopez: raises 485 to 885
Alchemist173: folds
DMS75: folds
Xandre6108X: folds
MAMOHT_T: folds
Wallentin72: calls 485
*** FLOP *** [Kd 6h Qs]
Wallentin72: checks
leitalopez: bets 905
Wallentin72: calls 905
*** TURN *** [Kd 6h Qs] [6d]
Wallentin72: checks
leitalopez: bets 1455
Wallentin72: calls 1455
*** RIVER *** [Kd 6h Qs 6d] [Qh]
Wallentin72: checks
leitalopez: bets 2755 and is all-in
Wallentin72: calls 2755
*** SHOW DOWN ***
leitalopez: shows [Kh Jc] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
Wallentin72: shows [Qc Th] (a full house, Queens full of Sixes)
Wallentin72 collected 12460 from pot
leitalopez finished the tournament in 146th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12460 | Rake 0
Board [Kd 6h Qs 6d Qh]
Seat 1: Xandre6108X (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: MAMOHT_T (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: LlKE A G6 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Poeira4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Wallentin72 showed [Qc Th] and won (12460) with a full house, Queens full of Sixes
Seat 7: leitalopez showed [Kh Jc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 8: Alchemist173 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: DMS75 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

villain is a fish, high vpip, clasic 109r fish
just curious iif someone play it diferent?
i shove river cause i think i get value from worse kings and fish usually donk river when they hit the Q in this spot.. someone can add something or it was just bad luck?

too thin, some fish donk with qx but many will check, he can have some 6x, lots of qx, kq (66 and discounted QQ are like 1.5 combos or w/e also), and pretty few worse kx in comparison. expect to see ak non zero too.. and he calls 6x/qx like everytime but kt- only sometimes etc.

hi thanks for the answer, i think its very difficult for him to show with qk as played on this spot, ofc not even close to imposibble but still think a fish prolly dont play qk this way. agree that he can have some 6x and many Qx in his range.. so you check back river i guess? bet turn for value for sure, right?

What street does he play differently? Sure maybe he raises flop some of the time but other streets I think a fish usually plays the same... Yes I'd check river as played, and turn is close (largely because you chop with Kx) but probably fine since he will likely/often peel Qx again and you are rarely beat

standardish reg, not overly aggro. Considered hero'ing because of how dumb the line is?

snapfold and thank him..

this is a 50r turbo, final table but only 6 paid. something like $2.3k for 1st, $360 for 6th.

villain is a very good 2p2er. he's been pretty tight so far but getting gradually more aggro as we get closer to the bubble.

BB is a giant nit.

my image is taggy i guess.

i know i only have 10 bb's but i'm still 3/8. do i care about the other shorties or not?


Full Tilt, 1,000/2,000 blinds, 250 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players

BTN: 17,270 (8.6 bb)
Hero (SB): 20,392 (10.2 bb)
BB: 13,420 (6.7 bb)
UTG+2: 11,340 (5.7 bb)
MP1: 59,210 (29.6 bb)
MP2: 18,674 (9.3 bb)
MP3: 40,194 (20.1 bb)
CO: 14,500 (7.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 A
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 4,007, 4 folds, Hero raises to 20,142 and is all-in

i think he can be r/f any ****, i like shove

I hate that shove. I don't think he's that wide with shorties behind when he's in 2nd pos. We have very limited fold equity with only 10bb. We will never have him dominated but will be dominated a reasonable amount and will never fold out anything dominating us. If we had a bigger stack so we had fold equity, OK. If our 10bb was shortest stack left, OK. But willingly flipping here w no FE as 3/8 seems it has to be icmfail.

However I would need to see payouts. I think I read steep pay jumps can counteract icm.

i dont agree, he can def have a r/f range vs a 10bb stack in this spot

payouts:

1 - 2280
2 - 1320
3 - 900
4 - 660
5 - 480
6 - 360
7 - 0
8 - 0

should have also noted that most of these shorties were at my table a long time so i had good reads on them. none of them were shoving enough at F2T, and they have tightened up even more now. seems like they are all waiting for aces and i can't really wait around for them to get coolered can i?

I think it's fairly rare he is r/f to us, considering how many stacks at the table are 5-10 BB stacks. If he was BTN, maybe, but he has 6 players to get through, many of whom are short. Doubt he has J7s or something. What would you guess his opening range is? Calling range to us?

Given we aren't even in the money, I hate the ship even more. I was kidding about the payout thing, that was a betgo/munk reference, but given we are on the bubble, this is not good spot at all IMO. If the other players are all waiting for AA, we are wayyyyyy better off shoving any two from the BTN, than reshoving A6s with small fold equity.

[QUOTE=Black Aces 518;36286282]I think it's fairly rare he is r/f to us, considering how many stacks at the table are 5-10 BB stacks. If he was BTN, maybe, but he has 6 players to get through, many of whom are short. Doubt he has J7s or something. What would you guess his opening range is? Calling range to us?


hero said that the shorties were extremely nit so they will prolly shove like more or less 6-7 % of the hands (?) so villain can profitably open almost any 2 i guess? and he can call the shove of the 7bb or less stacks and r/f against a 10bb stack

edit: he can even fold to them and still be profitable i think

it's never folding to me in late pos though. one of the two big stacks is always opening.

sometime after this he opened utg and called SB's 5 bb shove with KJo, but of course i didn't have this info at the time.