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Old 03-03-2012, 12:46 AM   #1
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***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

We have way too many threads that garner more trolling than replies. I figure one of these would be good to clean up HSMTT and stop people from tooling out when someone posts something they consider beneath them.

Stole the idea from HSPLO. Post spots where you think the hand is fairly simple and doesn't require a lot of thought, but you want some reassurance that you're doing it right.

DO: Include reads and/or HUD stats

DON'T: Include results
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:53 AM   #2
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

What % of this thread will be AK at 15/30 facing a shove or KK wanting to fold pre?
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Old 03-03-2012, 07:21 AM   #3
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

Threads exactly like this have been made so many times (I made one a while back) and have failed miserably. GL though!
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:12 AM   #4
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

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What % of this thread will be AK at 15/30 facing a shove or KK wanting to fold pre?
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:20 AM   #5
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

Should be called "Post all HPT hands here"
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Old 03-03-2012, 01:11 PM   #6
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

Villain is Thayer, he's solid and good at pokers. We're getting kinda close to the bubble so he's probably opening a bit wider than usual. Standard after flatting pre? Fold river?



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    THAY3R (SB): 33,103 (33.1 bb)
    Hero (BB): 22,900 (22.9 bb)
    titón (MP): 87,827 (87.8 bb)
    firmston (CO): 870 (0.9 bb)
    dadowiec (BTN): 12,971 (13 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with T 9
    3 folds, THAY3R raises to 2,200, Hero calls 1,200

    Flop: (5,400) 9 A 8 (2 players)
    THAY3R bets 2,000, Hero calls 2,000

    Turn: (9,400) T (2 players)
    THAY3R bets 3,000, Hero calls 3,000

    River: (15,400) Q (2 players)
    THAY3R bets 4,000, Hero calls 4,000




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    Old 03-03-2012, 01:27 PM   #7
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    Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

    I think river is a fold and a spot where I would be like aghhhh this is so dumb and reluctantly call before kicking myself when he turns over at.
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    Old 03-03-2012, 01:29 PM   #8
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    Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

    Why aren't we shoving the turn being so shallow?
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    Old 03-03-2012, 03:00 PM   #9
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    Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

    Got nothing on villain, location is Brazil.

    4-bet/sizing standard? Anybody flat the 3-bet?

    What now?





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      tunnny (UTG+2): 10,960 (91.3 bb)
      GringoBrasil (MP1): 4,538 (37.8 bb)
      nadalon (MP2): 6,052 (50.4 bb)
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      bloczek60 (SB): 12,260 (102.2 bb)
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      Preflop: Hero is CO with A J
      5 folds, Hero raises to 240, LaliTournier raises to 720, 2 folds, Hero raises to 1,965, LaliTournier raises to 4,910




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      Old 03-03-2012, 03:19 PM   #10
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      I think h1 is a definite turn raise. Gotta let people know they can't pot control turn oop vs the gullyest and he can level himself into calling with ak aq aj.

      I would fold quickly vs that specific villain but she also made it a size that basically commits her to calling and don't think it's a level.
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      Old 03-03-2012, 05:02 PM   #11
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      y 4bet? He wont fold AK maybe AQ he'll fold but vs u i doubt. He seems pretty solid to me this payer. Flat the 3bet keep his range open or just fold vs the 3bet. both are fine this early .spewing is not necessary (yet).
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      Old 03-03-2012, 05:43 PM   #12
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      hand 1 : would play it exactly the same against a thayer-type player. turn has to be a call vs this sizing. fold river

      hand 2 : like it , the way is see it AJ is the perfect hand to do this with(no history, stacksizes, generell lack of reads.) if he flats you got like 55% eq hopefully( if he doesnt trap often) and the betting lead with a stack to potratio that he will play worse than you , also he shouldn`t 5 bet light that much ( escp not this sizing ) , id fold to 5bet .
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      Old 03-03-2012, 05:56 PM   #13
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      Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

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      Flat the 3bet keep his range open.
      if by open you mean wide then this is a flawed concept imo cause his actual range is not wider just our perception of his range so it doesn't help much
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      Old 03-03-2012, 06:12 PM   #14
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      if by open you mean wide then this is a flawed concept imo cause his actual range is not wider just our perception of his range so it doesn't help much
      maybe i dont understand you correctly. but;
      1) By flatting we keep dominating hands in his range
      2) By flatting we prevent him from 5betting us with crap, since we 4bet as a bluff here instead of for value ( i assume... ?)

      So keeping his range wide/open/w.e. by flatting, i like more w/AJ then by turning it into a bluff and 4bet.

      That said, raise/fold > rest at this stage of the tournament.
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      Old 03-03-2012, 06:18 PM   #15
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      if by open you mean wide then this is a flawed concept imo cause his actual range is not wider just our perception of his range so it doesn't help much
      Isn't our perception of his range what we go off? His actual range nobody ever knows this. So i dont understand your thought/theory here.
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      Old 03-03-2012, 06:47 PM   #16
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      Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

      Hey guys, if you think a hand is that interesting, we can make a thread out of it. I thought this one was fairly simple. The point of the quick checkup thread isn't to debate back and forth, just for spots we think are fairly elementary. In retrospect this hand might have been more complex than I thought.
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      Old 03-03-2012, 07:29 PM   #17
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      Quote:
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      Hey guys, if you think a hand is that interesting, we can make a thread out of it. I thought this one was fairly simple. The point of the quick checkup thread isn't to debate back and forth, just for spots we think are fairly elementary. In retrospect this hand might have been more complex than I thought.
      Yea but that's your point for this thread anyway. To avoid having hands where half the people have no idea and just say random ****.
      People need to give quick answers to hands that are posted itt. If there are 10 responses and 8 of them are shove then it can be assumed that shove is the answer. If there are hands that are 50/50 and have a quasi debate going, then a seperate thread should be made. Hsmtt should really have one thread where everyone defaults to. Each hand is numbered and if a hand starts to clog the thread with a discussion then a thread can be made.
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      Old 03-03-2012, 07:31 PM   #18
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      Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

      good thread, both hands interesting, really unsure about turn in hand 1
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      Old 03-03-2012, 08:44 PM   #19
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      Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

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      Very early, we are about 100 bbs deep and I overlimp A6ss.
      Guy behind me makes it 3x, seems like a competant young kid, maybe a reformed internet guy.
      Bu, SB, BB, and first limper call, I also flat. All the other guys are known to me and are droolers or borderline good old guys.

      Flop comes A93ss. Checked to me and I lead for 5 BBs (I'm a small bet kind of guy).
      OR makes it 15 BBs. Everyone else folds

      How many of you 4b/get it in vs flat?
      What am I repping if I flat then bet turn/river for half pot/ 3/4 pot?
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      Old 03-03-2012, 08:52 PM   #20
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      Live $550 20k guarantee.

      Very early, we are about 100 bbs deep and I overlimp A6ss.
      Guy behind me makes it 3x, seems like a competant young kid, maybe a reformed internet guy.
      Bu, SB, BB, and first limper call, I also flat. All the other guys are known to me and are droolers or borderline good old guys.

      Flop comes A93ss. Checked to me and I lead for 5 BBs (I'm a small bet kind of guy).
      OR makes it 15 BBs. Everyone else folds

      How many of you 4b/get it in vs flat?
      What am I repping if I flat then bet turn/river for half pot/ 3/4 pot?
      If you lead, keep raising and try to get him to fold better, but if you don't think he's going to fold better Ax hands at some point don't lead, just x/call and let other flush draws in the pot. You get more money from coolering someone here than trying to get an unknown to fold top pair good kicker with no history.
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      Old 03-03-2012, 09:10 PM   #21
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      NSB, lali is one of the rare breed of vamoos : a nit, just fold to the 3b, defend T9s or w/e
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      Old 03-04-2012, 02:52 AM   #22
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      Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

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      Villain is Thayer, he's solid and good at pokers. We're getting kinda close to the bubble so he's probably opening a bit wider than usual. Standard after flatting pre? Fold river?



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        THAY3R (SB): 33,103 (33.1 bb)
        Hero (BB): 22,900 (22.9 bb)
        titón (MP): 87,827 (87.8 bb)
        firmston (CO): 870 (0.9 bb)
        dadowiec (BTN): 12,971 (13 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with T 9
        3 folds, THAY3R raises to 2,200, Hero calls 1,200

        Flop: (5,400) 9 A 8 (2 players)
        THAY3R bets 2,000, Hero calls 2,000

        Turn: (9,400) T (2 players)
        THAY3R bets 3,000, Hero calls 3,000

        River: (15,400) Q (2 players)
        THAY3R bets 4,000, Hero calls 4,000




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        Fold river, rest is standard.
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        Old 03-04-2012, 03:23 AM   #23
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        Hand 1 looks good but id fold river and hand 2 is fine fold to the 5b
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        Old 03-04-2012, 09:50 AM   #24
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        Sorry, not folding river in hand 1 to 1/4 pot bet.
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        Old 03-04-2012, 10:27 AM   #25
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        y 4bet? He wont fold AK maybe AQ he'll fold but vs u i doubt. He seems pretty solid to me this payer. Flat the 3bet keep his range open or just fold vs the 3bet. both are fine this early .spewing is not necessary (yet).
        He is a she actually. and yes, pretty solid.

        I agree w you that call is better.
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