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Old 07-29-2012, 03:59 AM   #1
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The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

Hey guys, relatively new to the table, so no significant reads.
All i gathered was that the opener was a bit on the fishy side.
What do you guys do in this spot?
I was torn between shoving and 3betting, and even folding.
I think calling could be the worst option, cos when the bb shoves, we're getting iso'd out of the pot a whole lot.

Thoughts?

What line are you taking here?


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (250/500 blinds, 60 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13606232

UTG+2: 6,995 (14 bb)
MP1: 15,055 (30.1 bb)
MP2: 22,275 (44.6 bb)
MP3: 8,642 (17.3 bb)
CO: 9,168 (18.3 bb)
BTN: 5,141 (10.3 bb)
Hero (SB): 22,332 (44.7 bb)
BB: 5,369 (10.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 4
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 1,000, 4 folds, Hero ???
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Old 07-29-2012, 04:09 AM   #2
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Re: The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

toss the 750 in and fold to further action
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Old 07-29-2012, 05:46 AM   #3
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Re: The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

Fold>shove>3bet>call
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:28 AM   #4
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Re: The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

I like folding here.
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:01 PM   #5
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Re: The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

I like folding with BB stack
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:12 PM   #6
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Re: The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

I would call
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:17 PM   #7
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Re: The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

Fold>Something other than call>Call
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Old 07-30-2012, 07:28 PM   #8
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Re: The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

Calling is problematic for several reasons. Shoving likely shows a profit, but I lean towards folding being optimal.
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:03 AM   #9
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Re: The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

fold
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Old 07-31-2012, 01:08 PM   #10
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Re: The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

Fold playa.

3betting can be good if he folds to 3bets a lot. Don't flat.
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Old 07-31-2012, 01:13 PM   #11
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Re: The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

Yeah, fold. If BB has anything resembling a hand, he shoves and you can't call him.
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Old 07-31-2012, 04:50 PM   #12
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Yeah, fold. If BB has anything resembling a hand, he shoves and you can't call him.
What? Of course we can...
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:10 PM   #13
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Re: The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

fold
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Old 08-01-2012, 01:17 AM   #14
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Re: The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

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toss the 750 in and fold to further action
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I would call
Lol & lol.

Ez fold
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:42 AM   #15
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Re: The Hotter $109 Preflop spot with 44

Trivial fold. Risk/reward with a shove is terrible at this stack depth. Flatting is extremely problematic with BBs stack depth, and even if you can guarantee the BB flats or folds, it's only an "ok" flat
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