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Hot $109, flopped a baby flush in SB...get it in?

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04-15-2014 , 08:55 AM

tcmNOWAY

adept

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 955

I registered a bit late and have only played a few orbits, so I'm completely readless right now. Can I ever fold pre? Am I only flatting the flop bet to fold to a bad card on the turn and otherwise shove the turn? Is this basically the best line given the course of action?

Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (60/120 blinds, 15 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #25835681

Hero (SB): 4,658 (38.8 bb)
BB: 3,733 (31.1 bb)
UTG+2: 9,119 (76 bb)
MP1: 3,282 (27.4 bb)
MP2: 3,270 (27.3 bb)
MP3: 6,943 (57.9 bb)
CO: 7,755 (64.6 bb)
BTN: 3,120 (26 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4

UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 240, MP2 calls 240, MP3 calls 240, CO folds, BTN calls 240, Hero calls 180, BB folds

Flop: (1,440) 8

(5 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets 720, MP3 calls 720, BTN folds, Hero raises to 4,403 and is all-in, 2 folds, MP3 calls 3,683

Turn: (10,966) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (10,966) 8

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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04-15-2014 , 10:38 AM

tcmNOWAY

adept

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 955

For the record, I'm not considering folding preflop, but I'm wondering more about the hand value of 64s when OOP against 4 opponents. I'm sure MP3's range is fairly strong, but what is MP2's range here usually?

Last edited by tcmNOWAY; 04-15-2014 at 10:47 AM.

04-15-2014 , 10:45 AM

imag1ne

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 338

1. You are being offered 8-1 odds... Never fold here pre.

2. Stop being R/O. You got your money in with the best hand. You did all that you could do. On the turn, V only has 11 outs. You are going to win here more than ~77% of the time.

04-15-2014 , 11:23 AM

tcmNOWAY

adept

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 955

I'm not being results-oriented, but with a bettor and a caller on a 5-way flop, can I be certain that shoving is the most optimal line? I mean, I have 0% equity 100% of the time that I'm behind, and 2 out of my 4 opponents in this minraised pot are interested in it. MP2 is leading out with 2 players behind him to act -- what sort of range do they show up with here?

04-15-2014 , 11:32 AM

wonderkid23

adept

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 724

What matters is the equity against the range overall, the "0% equity when I'm behind" says nothing

04-15-2014 , 11:58 AM

imag1ne

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 338

1. V's range depends on what you've seen up to this point.. Did you have any reads on these players? If you have no reads, you cannot confidently state a "range".

I do not see a better move here -- you must move all in on the flop, especially considering your chip stack. If someone has a better flush at this point, so be it. If you just flat, you're screwed if a fourth spade hits or the board pairs. Although unlikely, in this spot, you also have a gut shot straight flush draw, too, man. All in.

04-15-2014 , 12:37 PM

jonrubs

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,999

Never are 0% equity unless vs A5ss

04-15-2014 , 12:41 PM

dereds

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 16,782

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcmNOWAY

You have an inside straight flush draw so you only have 0% equity v x5ss, stacks are too shallow to not get in so get it in and take your cooler/run good and hold

04-15-2014 , 02:28 PM

user12345

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,737

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcmNOWAY

random rubbish
esp when people are hesitating to get it in with flopped flush.

04-16-2014 , 05:55 AM

#10

MartinGuthOBV

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,007

lead flop
getting it in is obv fine as played esp. in that donkament

not sure if i like pre that much

04-16-2014 , 05:43 PM

#11

ECJENSEN56

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,424

Like leading flop as well, getting good odds so don't mind flicking it in pre.

Edit: think we're a little to shallow here to call pre not to mention we're oop but hard to fold in game.

04-16-2014 , 05:48 PM

#12

Tyler Durden

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Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 15,299

Can't imagine folding pre if you can play well post.

04-17-2014 , 04:30 AM

#13

wowsooooted

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,077

bbv

04-17-2014 , 01:25 PM

#14

SwoopAE

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Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 22,249

Assuming you call pre the rest plays itself, nh

04-17-2014 , 03:30 PM

#15

OnTilt24/7

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 215

standard hand no other way to play it. <40bb deep this is always a shove. Folding pre would be really bad unless bb is a maniac who squeezes all the time (which he clearly isnt if he's folding in this spot)

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