Got a lot of different responses on this hand from some pretty good players so decided to post it.



Utg is a winning reg, has been playing pretty tight so far something like 13/13 since the final 2 tables if I remember correctly, opened a few times from the same position in the last few orbits. Cutoff is NeverScaredB, aggro reg who is definitely capable of flatting some weaker hands but can also have KK,AA I think. How do you rank folding, calling, shoving and 3bet/f? I feel like calling.

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I'd call.

We can definitely flat pre, I'm just not sure if it's better than squeezing. Probably is against 13/13 villain but it depends a lot on how much you perceive him to be opening up 6-handed (and how hood you perceive my range to be here)

the fact that UTG range should be somewhat stronger since he is opening into 3 20bb stacks+ NSB could have flatted strong makes me think flat>squeeze

flat>shove>fold>3bet/f

i like a fold. our read is that utg is tight, has already opened this position a few times lately, and is opening into 5 stacks that could easily reshove on him. nsb flatted 10% of his stack in an obvious reshove spot, it seems like he should be quite strong here most of the time. combining the shallow stacks with the strong ranges of our two opponents leads me to believe that we are going to get called pretty often when we check-shove favorable boards, which doesn't seem great icm wise. it's definitely a nice spot relative position and stack size wise to check-shove flops, but aside from flopping a flush draw it doesn't seem like there are very many good flops for our hand given how i perceive ranges, and as stated i'm not too thrilled about flopping a flush draw in the first place. it just feels that good things don't happen often enough postflop to see a flop here when we can just let two opponents battle it out with a 3:1 psr and enact the thayer supersystem.

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Yea I agree with BKice, with ICM involved there's no way that flatting and hoping to flop two diamonds so we can check shove into an overpair is a good strategy.

If each player had 30 BBs obviously I'm getting my hood on.

i've heard several sick players say that flatting is the obvious play that i would like to hear more from that camp if anyone wants to elaborate on why they think calling is best.

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there's already 244k out there and you have to call 40k more...you really don't have to win the pot that much to make flatting profitable

shoving could def be better if reads/stacks were different though...don't like folding at all but 3b/f seems reallly bad

I think the players who say flat are saying that either because (1) they perceive the ranges of the villains differently than I do, or (2) they have no concept of ICM. We are going to be up against AQ/KK a lot. Sometimes villains will have JJ and KK, but would we even win the pot then on a AT2 flop? When we hit a 8dTd2s flop we will check/raise, but getting it in against one opponent for a flip is really not good here. So I don't understand why we want to see a flop so badly.

To be clear: flatting is fine if we aren't at a FT, it's got to be -$EV at a FT.

bkice ask for the im log between kevlar and myself also didn't know you knew the TSS

Probably should enlist the services of DeebSpellCheck if you do this.

Shaun Deeb ... its the easiest call pre ever
(10:13:25 AM) Shaun Deeb great stack to pot to c/shove boards you like
(10:13:31 AM) Shaun Deeb like 23j type ones
(10:14:06 AM) Shaun Deeb you're getting 7 to 1 immediate great relative position to aggressor and the flattor
(10:14:12 AM) Shaun Deeb and you have a hand that glops equity well
(10:14:15 AM) Shaun Deeb if you had like qjo
(10:14:20 AM) Shaun Deeb I could see an argument for folding
(10:14:23 AM) Shaun Deeb but A5s
(10:14:35 AM) Shaun Deeb is the perfect hand
(10:14:39 AM) Shaun Deeb because nsb if hes flatting strong
(10:14:41 AM) Shaun Deeb its qq+
(10:14:45 AM) Shaun Deeb and you can outflop that easier
(10:14:52 AM) Shaun Deeb and have 8.5 outs on a lot of boards you get it in on
(10:15:07 AM) Shaun Deeb I rather shove pre
(10:15:10 AM) Shaun Deeb before I consider folding
(10:15:17 AM) Shaun Deeb but call is by far the best
(10:15:46 AM) Shaun Deeb guesisng since you got **** for the hand you got it in vs kk/ak of NSB
(10:15:50 AM) Shaun Deeb or even aa
(10:15:55 AM) Shaun Deeb and they were like easiest fold every pre