and also what is this bolded part. oop should absolutely not be shoving in with hands like kk/qq/jj etc. ax will be a pretty big part of ip calling range for this sizing on the flop, so now your suggesting kk should be triple range merge bluff value shoving ott? his range for jamming turnvshould be hands like kq/k10 type hands along with ak,some combos of ajo and like some 2p hands like ax wheel, all his big pairs <ax that he 4bs with should be checking back ott
so tilting that you start off your post trolling but then make one of the worst of all time strategy posts after it

I'm saying that everything is potentially optimal under certain assumptions of how our opponent plays and if OP played the hand optimally then he got lucky because he seems lost on every street. If you think your opponent will 4b bluff a lot then 3!/5!, if you think your opponent will 4b bluff a lot with specifically raggy Ax and then bet/shove often then call the 4bet and call twice. Even 3b/fold is reasonable if you think you won't get flatted much and won't get 4b bluffed, but I'd pick worse hands for that. If you think none of these things is true or you don't know then flat the first time.

I was wondering where all the HATERS have gone...
Good to still have you around LOLPOSTING!!!

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I wonder why I don't post more often here with my suboptimal strategy, just to have LOLPOSTING attack and humiliate me...

Awe stop getting mad soep came in talking trash like yo maybe you should
Have a plan before you start clicking buttons, but imo put out a contentless /ambiguous first paragraph and backed it up with a second paragraph that was way off base wrd to post flop play so I came in and trolled the troller.
And it's not like it's serious it's the internet your supposed to troll that's half the fun. But I I Think I made valid points and contributed to the strat itt with some solid points
Sorry for hijacking thread outplayu.
Re: soeps most recent post. Yes I see what your saying and the moral of the story here is that flattingvs good regs who 4b solid /aggr ranges here just saves a big headache even tho you probably sacrifice some ev by not 3b this spot

Sooo, my plan vs this reg was to NOT fold.
Obv ICM is a disaster, next time i will flat pre, and take the low variance and play postflop.
Anyway, i obv didn´t fold turn (i basically snaped him off)....





Too many outs tho
Thx guys

2/3, pretty good

Jesus that is some serious pre flop button mashing from villain

NH op

Imo you need to defend your SB more aggressively with 3-bets. I play mostly 3b or fold from the SB in cash games. Started this around a couple of months ago, and it really boosted my WR. Even have a 10bb/100 WR in the SB over a 13k hand sample. Yeah it's super high variance 3-betting 11-15% from the SB, but I can definitely guarantee it's more +EV to defend it aggressively.

Also, in a tourney if people see you as a 3-betting maniac from the blinds, they are less likely to open super wide on your blinds. And when you 3b a value hand, some people will get frustrated and play back at you with ******ed hands.

I totally agree, wich is my SB startegy also, but in cash games (usually) they´re no antes involved, wich makes flatting in mtt´s more profitable (pot odds), not to mention about ICM, but is good to have a mix strategy cus then they just can push atc or 4bet really wide, wich happened in this hand also, but worked out fine for me (this time)
My thinking ingame was that, apart that is really wide UTG, 3betting from SB vs UTG and being commited vs BB looks pretty strong, but is one of those spots ´´i know, that he knows, that i know ´´ lol

Yes minator. We know that you want to play aggr from the sb. 11-15% is actually on the tighter side for 6max cash sb vs lp opens

I meant 11-15% overall. I didnt say vs LP opens. You cant 3b 18% obv vs UTG or MP open without spewing chips

flat pre, as played fold now

Agree w/ flat pre, but fold where? Pls expand

I mean this is already a really dumb spot to be in given there are many short stacks and you should be trying to get into the least amount of confrontations with chip leader and just pick on medium short stacks. You can definitely flat this pre with antes in play and he made it a min raise. His 4 bet sizing really sucks since u gotta call with all of your 3 bet value range which AJs is definitely in vs this player type. Flop is fine and turn is w/e but can't fold

Folding ott is out of the question yo

I think we have to fold to the 4b for icm reasons as played, x3 shorties under 20bb.

It's because there're so many people eager to vomit their chip stacks in the center like you did here with AJ that it's worth playing conservatively.

"obv ICM is important , but for me is all about the win"

I guess you don't really know what the term means then.

Ok ty.

Maybe i don´t or maybe you could came up w/ some strategy advice (since is a strategy forum)
I´m not an native english some my grammar might be off, what i meant i will be playing (or at least try) my best to win the tournament, rather than ´´wait for better spots´´ and try to ladder like a pussy, because ICM ´´says so´´

Yea this post has 0 good strategy content. and ajs is a very good hand btw

Still probably more valuable than the sum of your posting history.


Even with him opening as wide as that suggests your equity is still in the low 60s (if that), and your raise is for 4 blinds. Enough value to justify increasing your chances of busting in that hand significantly? Hard to know with any certainty. But if you're not even trying to factor that into the equation you're going to habitually get your stack in too light. And if, as I'm suggesting, other people at the table are also playing without any regard for laddering, it significantly increases the value of survival because it makes it that much more likely that other people will bust before you get your stack in next.

There's no glory in playing for the win when the alternative makes you more money.

No this isn't very much better I don't think^ icm is an issue and yes laddering up is important but I don't think this Post regarding raising to 4blinds and the 60% equity share you have against a wide range vs the chance of you busting does a good job of explaining really anything tbh.
If you look at results I think this hand probably did a pretty good job of making the op more money in the tournament compared to other lines.
And also I have a hard time seeing that how flatting vs the open makes you more money. Also I'm like 99% sure that the ev
Of 3b is much higher than flatting. Although you can say it's slightly higher variance but it might not even be since you should
Get a decent amount of nsd $ pre and post flop by 3b
Also it's nlhe in a tournament you can bust at anytime, but I said this earlier on itt I don't know if icm should get in the way of us playing a good aggressive sb strategy vs players who are leaking by opening way to wide/ and defending vs 3bs in silly ways. (Like here by 4b random hands, or other ways by calling or folding vs 3bs at wrong frequencies)
And it's also silly to say that your post was better than my whole posting history as I've put some good strategy out there in hsmtt over the last few months and your post wasn't very good at all