He has a lone 8 here way more than he has 89. You guys are crazy.

my initial thought but really think its hard to put him on a bare 8 having raised the flop AND called the flop 3bet.

Does 89 flat the flop here? Beacausr surely big pairs are more a part of your range here. Agree that he has spazzy 8 here more than fh. Did the second 8 make a flush draw? If so could he be jamming TJ/67 suits?? Still think 8's with no fh are big part of his insta shoving range.

same. This is why we flat the flop, so we feel less guilty when we bust out calling it off.

folding not terrible, that being said i would never fold

never ever folding this

Raise/folding has to be the worst available line. Either call or raise/call

I agree with this.

Pre is fine if the table isn't overly aggressive, and you're deep. These conditions seem to have been met.

Good fold. Congrats, you were practically freerolling after that, because not many would have made that fold.

If I were playing, I would snap call and lose sleep over it for a week.

Just cause the guy said he had AK on the earlier hand doesn't mean he did

flop raise sucks. doubt i can fold it.

I think you have to fold. Pretty unlikely he is going to raise the flop and call and even bigger raise with Middle pair. The only think that makes sense is 89 and I doubt this player would have the guts to shove JT on the turn.

what's with all the online winners folding monsters in the main.. the game's still fullring, people don't suddenly start getting monster hands all the time against us.

I can only say that this exact situation has happened to me at least five times I can remember in smaller tournaments and I have yet to be good one time. Nice lay down.

i can see that an 8 is unlikely.

but 67s, 7ts, tjs, and more combos of 67o and tjo make this an impossible laydown imo.

i also think you'll see some weird **** here from this type of player- like the terribly played overpair that he thinks he's protecting, or the strange 8x he fell in love w/ otf, and random spazz.

also, don't understand the hate for the flop raise.
am i calling to control the pot and hope he doesn't keep firing w a bigger set?
am i calling because a raise over-reps my hand?

to me, when a reasonable player cold calls a raise like this, it looks super strong anyway- so i prefer to go ahead and raise to try to get value out of old guy's semi-bluffs, 2p, and any other hand he feels momentarily inclined to pursue.