I have no reads, hud hasn't loaded yet. This is a monthly 200e 250k tourney. I lose to absurd few combos but wtffff? Note that flop is 3way, he cbet cold calls the 3ball


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $183 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13242512

MP3: 15,000 (300 bb)
CO: 14,975 (299.5 bb)
BTN: 14,563 (291.3 bb)
Hero (SB): 14,950 (299 bb)
BB: 15,000 (300 bb)
UTG+2: 15,512 (310.2 bb)
MP1: 15,000 (300 bb)
MP2: 15,000 (300 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T T
2 folds, MP2 raises to 150, 2 folds, BTN calls 150, Hero calls 125, BB folds

Flop: (500) T J J (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets 245, BTN raises to 500, Hero raises to 1,225, MP2 calls 980, BTN folds

Turn: (3,450) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets 1,880, MP2 calls 1,880

River: (7,210) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets 3,880, MP2 raises to 11,745 and is all-in, Hero?

gg your beat doubt he does this with worse ever

this is always JJ/JT right?

Realy a wtf spot..
If he is super terribad he could prolly do it with AJ, but with no good reads its seems like a good spot to make a laydown.
Maybe flatting flop raise is an option in this exact spot?

you should prob fold now but you should have sized it so you are shoving yourself on the river...the only reason you size how you did would be so you can confidently fold the river...

sometimes its J8s that didn't have the discipline to fold the flop

he has quads here imo but he can have other jacks full...cant possibly call river

Is it not more likely that he's terri-bad spazzing out with AJ here as opposed to having quad Jacks?
It sucks that were 300bbs deep, and that VS a reg we beat totally nothing, but as you said we have 0 reads/hud stats on him, I guess some brutal randoms will put it in with AJ there some of the time?
Even if you sharkscoped him really quick it might give you some indication?

woww

doubt anyone whos posted has played on .fr

still probably a fold but your definitely seeing worse here a noticable amount. Id call because **** em

+1

losing so much value vs overpair / jx with your bet sizings...

This. I don't think we can fold on a euro site with zero reads, he can over-value worse and bluff sometimes.

was thinking this post will never come

If his range is JJ, JT and one combo of AJs you're just about breakeven. I'd call.

i think 3betting flop is pretty unbalanced if you're following through with aggression on turns and rivers. unless of course you're the kind of guy who just piles 200 big blinds with airballs to get people to fold 3of a kind, but they dont know that.

and i've never played on .fr so maybe i'm underestimating the amount of chips people will put in with J9o here. the buyin being ~$200 leads me to believe you're not going to get a ton of derps who will just have the "call any" button with any jack, but again I could be wrong.

i feel like if the villain is competent then you shouldn't be taking this line. and if you think your villain is most likely bad, then you should be taking this line and snapping the river raise. 300bb oop against someone with a clue, I think a better course of action is coldcalling the flop raise, or 3betting the flop and checkraising/checkcalling the turn.

the turn bet is the most interesting part for me, i guess, because when you bet the turn you're basically saying that you're gonna keep betfolding, in theory, since you have the bottom of your value range 300bb deep oop and you're not getting bluffraised often enough. but that just gets into a cyclical self-debate of "is my opponent bad enough such that i can just pile in a lot and keep betfolding like live poker" at which point it's not unreasonable to widen your value range to the better trip jacks.

tl;dr without reads i dont like flop 3bet + the turn bet. flop coldcall or flop 3bet -> turn check feel better balance-wise (which is more valuable readless than something geared to be exploitative)