Black Chip Bounty. 10 Handed. We just merged and both villains are unknowns. I'm the chip leader with @350k and have a solid lead. 2nd place has @250k. 3rd place @200k. Blinds are 2500/5000 a500. I open utg+1 to 12k with 55. Mpos2 jams for 61k. Button overshoves for 70k. Walk me through your decision making process.

What's the bounty? Seems like a pretty trivial fold barring really big bounties.

Easy fold.

Bounty is $100.

Fold. You nice chip lead, can be very aggressive v. giving half your stack away with coin flip hand at best. Assuming overshove means he raised 70k more (IE 61k+70K).

If he overshoves meaning 70k total, pot 140k or so, you are getting decent odds to call if villains are calling with similar hands (IE first is shoving with A or Kx, and second overshoves with AK/AQ, pairs above 77) It would be a good pokerstove question.
In either case you are probably in bad shape against one, why triple up one villain up on coin flip at best?

I still fold, I like having chips to raise with.

Was pretty tired when I typed this up yesterday morning. Button shove was 70K total.

Calling the math guys for some help here.

A couple of questions. With these bounty tourneys popping up more frequently.... and with bounties that are half of the buyin size how should we be adjusting our calling ranges? In this hand I basically didn't factor them at all because they were only $100 each, but I'm pretty sure that I was mistaken and they should be calculated, just not sure how.

If 55 is an easy fold, what pair is an easy call, 10's? I've just been thinking that there isn't that much difference between 5's and other mid pairs in this spot.

Thoughts?

Def not factoring them in our decision at a final table

i'm not opening in that spot with people ready to start shoving 66+ so often...

that being said, I'd need TT+ AK to call

+1 and I agree with the poster who questioned the open to begin with. As played it's a trivial fold to me and it's not really close.

Opening 12k to win 12.5k when you get all folds can not be that bad. I open this all day with the chip lead at live FT. You get a lot of folds and it really doesnt have to work that often to be profitable. It amazes me how passive the average player at Borgata gets in live tournaments at the FT.

i'd fold pre at a 10 handed table and probably open only 99+ unless everyone was playing super tight and you don't know that if you don't know at least 2 people at the table. also, i'd open smaller. as played fold.

With your stack I might be inclined to call 50k w/ 55 and a chance to KO a player, but still think I'm leaning to a fold regardless. 55 is just below the bottom of our calling range for this many chips IMO .

Eh, pre's really not very good 10 handed, even with a big stack. It's easy to look down at a pair and just open but you really shouldn't here. Honestly calling with 55 is probably breakeven or losing just vs the first guy's shove (unless you know he's very wide), with the second guy's it's just a trivial fold.

In the moment, I probably wouldn't bother factoring in bounties. Not a math guy but I think these bounty tournies are 350+100 so you could add like ~30% of the starting stack (12k? starting in these so like 3600 chips) of the chips to the pot, but given that the pot is so huge relative to that at a FT it's close to irrelevant.

Edit: just saw your other post about the bounty, I guess 50% of starting stack if it was a 230+100, still irrelevant though