I didn't bet the first time b/c I thought I could induce a bluff. Then when the guy tanked for a while and shot me some looks, I thought he was calling light.

Sometimes you have to change a plan in the middle of the hand.

I think this is just pure lighting money on fire. You can't seem to defend if its for value or bluff and assign the appropriate ranges.

Also, calling pre with no bounty implications seems very bad.

pre: first call is slightly bad at worst, 2nd flat is def mandatory though


river we shouldnt have a raisng range outside of 2p and sets

Unreg pre and donate your bankroll to charity.

Get some new material, sport.

Change title to : lighting money on fire

why dont they play like that? these seem like some absurd assumptions. btn should be cbetting all his air so im not sure at what point you're so heavily discounting every better hand than the one you have, theyre both capped but both can easily have every better 1 pair hand than you. If this is just a "lol live players are braindead" thing then it just seems pointless to post, as its horrendous against anyone with a pulse. If you have a good enough read on your specific mutants that you can jam for value here though you shouldnt have to ask about it cause no ones gonna be able to validate that read for you anyway.

LOL

I don't think you credibly rep much when it checks around twice and then you go nuts on the river. You checked with one player behind you on the river. Your line smells fishy. What hands do you think the other players might give you credit for?

Anybody else have additional thoughts or analysis?

Results

The button mucked instantly. The original raiser thought for about 60 seconds and called with nines. It was cool to win a big pot by playing unconventionally.

How much do you charge for coaching?

People ask me this all the time. I always respond with "How much do you think my coaching is worth?"

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~3.5

Well what can I say other than, well played, both the hand itself and the 2+2 victory lap.

OP just seems like a fairly well-played troll. That being said, he managed to goad an eventual spot-on analysis from Soepgroente. Discounting JJ-KK in either raiser's range seems ridiculous in this spot, especially the 3 bettor. And how the **** is it 'obvious' the river caller doesn't have a better T? Really, the only thing most will take from this is to widen their live Hollywood tanking frequencies to induce plays like OP's

Yeh, obviously a troll and a satire on some of the clowns at Parx.

I have some thoughts in no particular order:

I think the responses you got here are what you would expect from extremely good players in the High Stakes MTT forum. This OP belongs in Mid Stakes which is where this tournament falls.

I agree with your read of the BTN. In a mid-stakes tourney it is extremely unlikely that BTN would bet JJ-KK/XTs OTR after checking the turn. The only hand that he can have that hurts you is 66 and that is very unlikely.

In a high stakes bounty tourney you will get called down by XTs/JJ very frequently IMO (especially judging from the posts in this thread) and I think that makes the shove not worth it in a high stakes tourney. It may also be true that there will be more XTs in high stakes than mid-stakes that don't lead out the river. I don't have enough experience in high stakes tourneys to know.

Your plan on the river is to induce a bluff. Which is what happened. Normally I would call here because I don't expect the villains to call light. But I think your strategy is OK for this tourney and the players you get. Mostly (in a mid-stakes tourney) they will fold without an A and nobody should have an A. But if they are going to call they would call with a pair. So the question is how much of the time does villain1 have a T or JJ/QQ?

I think there are XTs hands that villain1 can have that beat you. I would discount QQ because villain1 4-bets some % of the time OOP pre-flop with QQ. But I agree with your assessment that villain1 rarely has QQ/JJ/XT. Because often they would lead out on the river for value.

And I do think that some villains will call the river shove with those hands. But those villains that will call with XTs or JJ hands will also call with 77-99. Because your c/r shove is so polarized. And even then it seems to be polarized in only one direction. It looks like complete garbage. Any sane person in your position would just call with a Tx if they hadn't bet the river for value.

And so my final thought. Your nickname is apt.

My other final thought: I think I may understand the triple merge post. Which makes your shove a value bluff.

Interesting analysis Rick. For a different analysis, OP has an obviously made up Italian sounding name, and the hand supposedly occurred in an area with many Italians. His name is also preceded by "Crazy". Both hands are absurd almost nut worst situations to bluff. Those Parx tournaments have multiple first days with reentry, and there are players throwing chips around, which OP satirizes.

if you think you're in front (often enough) call
if you think you're behind fold
jamming is absurd with no fold equity
calling pre is bad but not terribad and might be ok with specific reads that UTG2 is fitfold post and blinds are unlikely to squeeze light. but then again u may just end up in jail trying to avoid getting buttfuqqed.

Everybody in this thread realizes that if a well-respected MTT poster or a famous poker pro had posted this hand, they would be lauded for their ingenuity and solid reads, right?

Just wanted to make sure.

P.S. Also, there is a sick gang mentality/piling on going on in here.

Probably because they A. wouldn't post it because its terrible or B. they wouldn't do it in the first place.

Wrong. I'm willing to be wrong about things and there's certainly a difference between how seriously I take things coming from a random and someone I know is good, but even if Ike posted this hand I'd still be like wtf are you doing.

Who is Ike?

Ike Haxton, arguably the best NLHE player