This was a $330 tournament with $100 bounties at Maryland Live!

BB was 600. I had about 36k. I was new to the table so not much of an image yet. Probably a tight player because I had just been folding for the orbit and a half that I had been there. Both of my opponents were loose and splashy, the 3bettor being more so. He also made big bets on the river when he was bluffing. This had happened twice. Both villains covered with around 80k-90k.

Villain 1 is 3rd to act and he opens to 1500. I call two seats after him with T9. Villain 2 is on the button and he makes it 5100. Villain1 calls and I call to close the action.

Flop is A53 all red with two . Checks around. Turn is an offsuit Ten to give me a pair. Again it checks around.

River is an offsuit 6 for a final board of A-5-3-T-6. We check it to the button who fires 11,800. Villain 1 tanks for a loooooong time (over 2 minutes) and calls. I raise all-in for 21k more.

Please ignore preflop. I'm interested in thoughts on river play.

Thanks in advance.

Fold pre both times. Bet the turn. Fold the river ainec. Really seems like you are just clicking buttons w/o really assessing ranges etc.

It's hard to see an A checking twice if both villains are loose and splashy. Big bet from button is consistent with a bluff, and the call consistent with a bluff catcher. Villain1 opened in third position, called a pf raise, and has now called a big bluffy river bet. Against the bettor alone, I'd just call. The call is troubling, as qq and jj are solidly in his range, as are jts qts and maybe kts. So too are 99 88 and 77, which have showdown value and are trying to get there cheaply.

The question is whether you can get the original opener to fold better or call worse. I do not think he is calling worse, so can you get jj or qq to fold?

I think you get the bettor to fold, but it is dicey against the opener. Why didn't he raise to isolate you and play just against the likely bluff? The bluff hand likely doesn't check a big A or AA twice with two diamonds on the board.

Interesting hand, and I don't think it's just clicking.

Fold pre of course.

Because the other guy in the pot (me) almost never raises or overcalls.

It's like you and the other guy just ignored the part where I wrote "please ignore preflop".

How can you ignore preflop, where ranges are beginning to be construed? I mean, ya you're blocking TT, so you can safely rep that...Can you conceivably come up with ranges, including yours, that can make this otr shove profitable? I cant

It has long been de rigeur around here to ignore pleas to ignore pre, so I'm just making that joke. I think I made it pretty clear that I think the hand is interesting!

I hear you. Still, if I'm in opener's spot, I recognize that you know that I know the river bettor has a ton of bluffs in his range, and thus that you're a big risk to do exactly what you did. If I'm in his spot, I'm not overly worried about the river bettor. I'm worried about you.

I assume you'd have mucked the T9 against a jam from the opener.

I don't really think I am repping TT b/c I would have 3bet that pre a vast majority of the time, and Villain1 probably knows that.

When he calls the button's 3bet out of position and checks three times, I think his range is weighted heavily towards pocket pairs, KQs and KJs, maybe QJs and JTs. I think QQ and JJ are tiny parts of his range when he checks three times. So that leaves King high hands (he tanked for a while on the river and looked genuinely pained/confused and shot me a few looks) and also 99, 88, 77. Would he call with 99-77? Not sure, but my line looks really odd. Will he fold a better Ten? Doubtful, but it won't be an easy call.

As for the button, his hand just did not look like anything.

Both qq and jj can get quiet on an a-high flop in a three-way pot. I assume Axs is a substantial part of your range here. This may be one of those where everyone is worried about someone else's A.

I guess this is a bluff? You rep exactly 66... everything else would almost always bet the turn. If this gets through then you had the best hand or the first guy was bluffing and the other guy had exactly JJ-KK.

EDIT- just saw it's a bounty, that makes this just that much more ridiculously bad, there's even a chance JT or a worse hand than your own heroes you here.

Didn't think you could post a worse hand than the 42o one so fast.

Thanks for the snark/constructive post.

What do you dislike about it?

Woops, I didn't see this was a bounty. Yeah, if that's true you're unlikely to get rid of better tens, especially where it's still fairly early in the tourney and big pay jumps are a long way away. If it's a re-entry tourney and you're still in the re-entry period then even more people will call, but I don't know if that's true here

You might get 77-99 to call you, though.

@soep: I have a tough time putting the caller on KK. It's a three-way pot; wouldn't KK four-bet it pre almost 100% of the time?

You make it sound like getting called by a hand worse than what I have is a bad thing lol

I thought the same. I think he means to say that better tens will now call you, which is obviously bad for you.

I'm just pointing out that it's beyond bad as a bluff. And of course too thin for value. Might be a good triple merge if you're into that.

Not a bluff. He rarely has QQ JJ (wouldn't tank for so long) and he probably rarely calls a 3bet out of position with something containing a ten AND plays it this way.

What exactly do you think opener has? A tank is likely here almost regardless of his hand -- including QQ and JJ -- so I don't think tank length is at all a good tell.

I would recommend playing much tighter preflop. Also, avoid bluffing into 2 players who are showing strength. Look to bluff when no one shows interest in the pot and on boards that likely missed opponents. Try simpler bluffing situations, like bluff raising or floating cbets.

Did you read how the action went down?

So you were bluffing and got called by 88 in the end and felt like a genius? I really don't understand what's going on here. Obviously you put some pressure on and might get a fold from hands between JT-KK and maybe even Ax if they really believe you, but it's a bounty mtt and all of that is optimistic and you probably get hero'd by every better hand. If the caller has a hand like 88 he might hero you also, but he'll still have many more combo's of better Tx and JJ+/Ax than worse Tx and 99-. I just have no idea what you're trying to accomplish, and you seem to change your mind every time you post. Your hand is almost exactly the middle hand where I'd expect villains to typically fold anything you're winning against and call anything better. If you think your hand is good -> call, if you think you're beat -> fold. I would bluffraise literally 0% of the time for all my chips in a live bounty mtt where nobody ever folds anything, unless I strongly believed villain has absolutely nothing and I have 8 high.

Everyone that's hating on pre so much is silly, the first time is maybe slightly losing and the second time a call is mandatory. Though I guess both spots are a fold if you're gonna blow up like this postflop a lot.

sick triple range merge obv

Thanks!

I think you're overestimating how much of his range is beating me. He rarely has a better hand than mine. JJ and QQ don't play like this, nor does a Ten.

Your river line just makes no sense and you don't have a plan. You're just doing stuff and hope it works.

Like you're checking cause you have showdown value, then decide that once both people put more chips in the pot you can reraise for value? Why didn't you bet the first time?