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Day 2 WSOP Main River Spot against Steve Billirakis Day 2 WSOP Main River Spot against Steve Billirakis

07-14-2017 , 03:38 AM
3 Hours into day 2 blinds are 400/800/100

Main Villian is Steve Billirakis. So far he has been playing super aggro opening about 40% of hands. 1st level I flatted a few of his opens won one lost 2 vs him. Recently I 5b shoved AQs against him for 60bb and he folded rather quickly.

Other Villian is a mid 40s man who has played 5 or 6 hands in 3hrs, very tight.

The Hand:

Main Villian opens the button to 2200 (his standard) other villian flats sb. Im bb w K8cc and call. Im 65k eff they both cover.

Flop: Ax Tc 7x checks thru

Turn: 7c sb bets 5500 and I make it 14k. Not really looking for turn suggestions but my thoughts were this man almost always has an Ace here basically no 7s in his range and that I can bet big (maybe even shove) non club/non ace rivers and bet small for value on club rivers but honestly thought there was a good chance I just win it right here. Button thinks for about 45 seconds and cold calls....sb tank folds (almost def an ace).

River: 9c

We have 45k left w 40k in the pot...villian has 80k behind. What do we do?
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07-14-2017 , 11:13 AM
Check - give him a chance to blast off here. Never, ever folding if he shoves.
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07-15-2017 , 09:59 AM
With the super agroo image you gave about the villain i mostly check here and give him the spot to bluff.
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07-16-2017 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by eppy12588

Turn: 7c sb bets 5500 and I make it 14k. Not really looking for turn suggestions but my thoughts were this man almost always has an Ace here basically no 7s in his range and that I can bet big (maybe even shove) non club/non ace rivers and bet small for value on club rivers but honestly thought there was a good chance I just win it right here. Button thinks for about 45 seconds and cold calls....sb tank folds (almost def an ace).

I think you make wrong assumption on turn and i guess that makes you make wrong assumptions about main villain range


imo you think villain in SB has Ax (not TT-QQ/AT, which is probably true how things end up after your raise on turn) because SB villain fold on turn after action gets back to him BUT IMO THE MAIN THING THAT YOU ARE MISSING HERE IS THAT MAIN VILLAIN DOESNT KNOW THAT, imo from his perspective SB villain hand look like (Ax/TT-QQ) and your hand looks like (7x, Ax, maybe TT and some draws/mostly combo draws) so its not like main villain is going to cold call lightish with SB still to act (if SB dint have some obv physical tells)

so with all that said i am betting 18-25 and sigh folding if he shoves (we can also bet 15-17k and fold if he shoves but from your explanation of this guy think he is kinda capable to shove something as bluff here, for ex AsT)
i mean if we check he is probably betting at least min 20-25 k(probably 30k-shoving) all the full houses and all the flushes and i thin he will probably have mostly nuts flushes but also think he can end up having/betiing TQss/JTss and +/- all his 7x/AT so its kinda tough spot if we check and he bombs it

so it think as played best is to value/block bet (and fold if he shoves) on river because i think he will just call with lot of better hand then ours (that will bomb bet river if we check) + he can call with lot of worse hands then ours and as played on turn i dont think that he has a lot of air/float/bluffy type of range that we want to check and induce call off
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07-16-2017 , 03:49 AM
Turn raise is horrid
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07-16-2017 , 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Turn raise is horrid
Yep

Hero didn't consider how he'd play trips/boats, Ax, etc(all flat obv), leaving his raise super unbalanced without many strong hands
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07-16-2017 , 08:22 AM
check to let him bluff is weird, he won't have many bluffs
Turn raise is ok

Agree on bet small / fold
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07-17-2017 , 11:24 AM
Turn raise is ok. We'll have a lot of 7x here out of the BB so we can balance with flush draws. K8 isn't the best flush draw because it blocks straight draws like 98 but I don't think either villain has that hand very often. We can keep boats in our turn call range so we protect our Ax hands.

I think I'm probably just calling turn more than raising because we are three ways and the SB most often has a marginal Ax hand here, but I can see merit to raising turn.

On the river, I do wonder if this particular villain would take a hand like AcJx (for example) and turn it into a bluff trying to get us off of a 7 or a weak flush. That would be a downside I could see to betting small on the river. But in general, our opponent should have a lot more 7x, good Ax and weak flushes that will simply call so I think I'm betting somewhere between 15-18K on the river and folding to a shove.

Last edited by jpgiro; 07-17-2017 at 11:46 AM.
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07-17-2017 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Turn raise is horrid
Why
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07-17-2017 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Why
Rep very little and your boats are most likely going to flat the turn to allow the person behind to join & keep draws in.
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07-17-2017 , 08:54 PM
Quad want to flat as well
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07-18-2017 , 03:23 AM
If both players were good at poker I wouldn't consider raising the turn because I know I dont rep too much....basically just a 7, no boats. The player in the sb was ur standard mid to late 40s see where I'm at type of player. There is basically 0 chance he wld call my raise on the turn and shove on the river on a brick with even AT so that was my plan and reasoning for raising the turn.

I understand there is still another player in the hand but im pretty certain he wld cbet 77 TT T7 A7 AT and most of the time AJ+ on this board so on the turn for him to continue he would basically have to have A2c-A6c or a 7 both of which I believe he wld check the flop with. I don't believe he is gonna go out of his way right here to try to win this pot because I don't rep much raising the turn considering I had been playing pretty straight forward and only have about a psb left.

So when he does call the turn Im pretty certain he has A2c-A6c or a 7 that isnt a boat....so by the river he either has the nut flush, a boat w 79, or just a 7.
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07-18-2017 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Why
cause we can get blown off, lower variance/pot control flatting, dont rep anything, non nut flush draw, dont even know what to do on river when we bink.
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07-18-2017 , 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by eppy12588
If both players were good at poker I wouldn't consider raising the turn because I know I dont rep too much....basically just a 7, no boats. The player in the sb was ur standard mid to late 40s see where I'm at type of player. There is basically 0 chance he wld call my raise on the turn and shove on the river on a brick with even AT so that was my plan and reasoning for raising the turn.

I understand there is still another player in the hand but im pretty certain he wld cbet 77 TT T7 A7 AT and most of the time AJ+ on this board so on the turn for him to continue he would basically have to have A2c-A6c or a 7 both of which I believe he wld check the flop with. I don't believe he is gonna go out of his way right here to try to win this pot because I don't rep much raising the turn considering I had been playing pretty straight forward and only have about a psb left.

So when he does call the turn Im pretty certain he has A2c-A6c or a 7 that isnt a boat....so by the river he either has the nut flush, a boat w 79, or just a 7.
If you think thats his range, then why did you bet the river?
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07-18-2017 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
cause we can get blown off, lower variance/pot control flatting, dont rep anything, non nut flush draw, dont even know what to do on river when we bink.
I think your letting the fact that the button cold called in this spot (which is super rare) to skew ur opinion on the turn raise. I know what i wld do if I missed or hit the flush against the sb. Obviously didnt expect the button to continue.
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07-18-2017 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jonrubs
If you think thats his range, then why did you bet the river?
Because of how wide he was opening the button i think he had more combos of 7x (over 40 if u give him 75o+ taking out 97 T7 A7) than the 5 combos of nut flushes (A2c -A6c) and the 6 combos of 97 and I thought he may pay off a small bet w a 7 here

Last edited by eppy12588; 07-18-2017 at 03:05 PM.
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07-18-2017 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by eppy12588
Because of how wide he was opening the button i think he had more combos of 7x (over 40 if u give him 75o+ taking out 97 T7 A7) than the 5 combos of nut flushes (A2c -A6c) and the 6 combos of 97 and I thought he may pay off a small bet w a 7 here
You understand with your line, you literally have 0 hands that can call a river shove and vs a good player he probably understands that, especially if you are folding near the top of your range here(top is Axcc). You can't discount the fact that he is behind you when you raise on the turn either.

If you were going to bluff, the better line is to call turn(hopefully realize some equity in the process) and if checked to on the river and you miss, fire a rather large bet.
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