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01-01-2017 , 11:03 PM
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 250/500 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

215$/50k before itm, couple levels left in re

No special notes on villain, not sure whats best ott, calling seems pretty meh v the overbet, but I guess he continues w a good amt of his otf sizing..thoughts?

Hero (BB): 22,180
UTG: 47,901 (VPIP: 32.61, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
UTG+1: 15,202 (VPIP: 21.73, PFR: 18.15, 3Bet Preflop: 5.36, Hands: 314)
MP: 10,220 (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 15.77, 3Bet Preflop: 6.82, Hands: 324)
MP+1: 5,658 (VPIP: 12.82, PFR: 9.46, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 78)
CO: 30,287 (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 46)
BTN: 8,725 (VPIP: 29.74, PFR: 23.65, 3Bet Preflop: 12.96, Hands: 1,036)
SB: 10,473 (VPIP: 22.76, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.10, Hands: 251)

8 players post ante of 50, SB posts SB 250, Hero posts BB 500

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,150) Hero has T K

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 1,125, fold, fold, Hero calls 625

Flop: (2,900, 2 players) 5 9 J
Hero checks, CO bets 1,845, Hero calls 1,845

Turn: (6,590, 2 players) K
Hero checks, CO bets 7,695, Hero calls 7,695

River: (21,980, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, CO bets 19,572 and is all-in, Hero ?
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01-01-2017 , 11:49 PM
As played fold imo, not sure whats best on turn
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01-02-2017 , 12:23 AM
The river bet is only another $10K into $22K, so you only have to be right 25% of the time to justify a call. I guess my thought is that if you're going to call a big turn bet like that, you need to be prepared to call the river.

What is the villain repping here? He could have AK or KQ, although it seems to me that the flop range then hits you better than it hits him and a c-bet is questionable. If he's got a better K or spades, so be it, but I'm calling this.

The real decision point is on the turn. With a heart draw and very possible value with the K, I'm check-jamming the turn for sure, although as I think about it more, your stack size is too small for that: you have almost no fold equity. Maybe lead the turn? If I lead, it's smaller than the pot, and I'm prepared to call a jam.
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01-02-2017 , 01:22 AM
its std turn call. generally you don't want to be jamming strong stuff into polarized OB range w/o a read that he's overdoing it there. your equity getting it in vs. QT sucks ass.

riv is a fold as ppl don't bluff enough and you block AThh T8hh T7hh which is fairly significant in that spot. population won't get there with enough bluffs and spades and maybe an occasional 87s gets there as well.
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01-02-2017 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
its std turn call. generally you don't want to be jamming strong stuff into polarized OB range w/o a read that he's overdoing it there. your equity getting it in vs. QT sucks ass.

riv is a fold as ppl don't bluff enough and you block AThh T8hh T7hh which is fairly significant in that spot. population won't get there with enough bluffs and spades and maybe an occasional 87s gets there as well.


Good post bro and agree, but what rivers do we call tho?


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01-02-2017 , 06:22 PM
hearts seem like a good start
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01-02-2017 , 10:24 PM
This is one of the worst rivers as almost everything he's likely bluffing with gets there, I feel kind of obliged to call on a 2c though when our hand looks like T8hh.
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01-04-2017 , 12:07 AM
Since when do they allow overbets in MTTs?

Given the fact that villain leaves only a Post Oak Bluff (old-school term) amount back ott, we can prob assume his bluff frequency otr will be too low...zomg an MTT player who isn't balanced...stop the presses (another old-school term) etc.

That said, if you are going to bluff-catch you are very close to the top of ur range in terms of absolute strength (assuming u 3bet at least the sooted KQ combos pre.) In terms of blockers this hand isn't the best to call even with a nut blocker.
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01-04-2017 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
hearts seem like a good start


Besides an heart.


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Last edited by OutPlayU27; 01-04-2017 at 04:47 AM. Reason: Trolling me bro 😜
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01-04-2017 , 09:55 AM
With this combo I don't think we need to call any rivers that don't make us a straight or a flush.



Turn jam 1/3 w/KThh.



100% fold otr. Prefers to bluffcatch J9, K9, TT, KQ. KQ>KT for calling due to unblocking T8s.
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01-04-2017 , 09:57 AM
No one like craising and barreling lots of runnouts against a loosish villain??
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01-04-2017 , 10:01 AM
You lose to asjs 999 555 jjj q10 78ss 76ss and u beat 710 810 76 86 n heart draws most of these u block so i woukd lean toward the fold
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01-04-2017 , 11:24 AM
since you pio'd this spot, i'm assuming pio think this overbet is nonsense right? also what hands would it elect to overbet if it would overbet?
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01-04-2017 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
since you pio'd this spot, i'm assuming pio think this overbet is nonsense right? also what hands would it elect to overbet if it would overbet?


It's fine with his OB because it's only like 1.2x. Seems fairly high freq. OB is viable there for IP. I did include QTo in IP range which is somewhat debatable given BTN is shortstack, and this will obv. have an effect on results.

I only input one size for each street for IP so the sim isn't comparing multiple sizes.
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01-04-2017 , 02:20 PM


yeah if given turn option of 70% for IP it much prefers this w/range and w/JJ
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01-04-2017 , 02:56 PM
id just crai otf
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01-04-2017 , 03:07 PM
Fold imo, ul.
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01-04-2017 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson


yeah if given turn option of 70% for IP it much prefers this w/range and w/JJ
yeah overall one shouldn't look to develop a overbetting range I see. thx!

agree with lolposting, pbb fine to gii on flop already, guess pio mixes it up somewhat.
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01-06-2017 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
id just crai otf
anyone like a chk jam? on the flop or do i play to many bounties
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01-11-2017 , 12:22 PM
I think we are a little bit deep to check/shove flop. I think a check/raise NAI could be good. As played to the turn I think check/shoving the turn to the overbet is actually a great option. If opponent has a str8 flush draw or nut flush draw then we have the best hand. It also prevents them from realizing equity with an oddball hand. If they have a nutty hand than so be it we still have outs.

A hand similar to this happened to me in a HU SNG. The opponent had AA, but oh well.

As played, river is a clear fold.
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01-11-2017 , 06:17 PM
50bb deep is not 2 deep to x/jam as long as you do this w value hands as well
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01-13-2017 , 04:19 PM
check/jamming is absolute nonsense
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01-14-2017 , 07:51 PM
Why wouldn't you bet the flop or checkraise? This line you took is gross when you flop huge.
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01-14-2017 , 09:10 PM
leading, x/c and maybe x/r sometimes if cbet is too big on this guy are all fine

x/jamming is nonsense unless youre in a KO and have like a huge KO on your head

as played , turn is WTF but probably calling and x/f on this specific riv (doubt villain has a non 0% bluffing range)
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01-15-2017 , 05:00 AM
Another plus about shoving the overbet is you may even get some pretty interesting hero folds.
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