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Confusing spot in 75 WSOPC Hammond ME Confusing spot in 75 WSOPC Hammond ME

10-25-2014 , 12:44 AM
50/100 Villain - ~16,000 Hero - ~25,000

Villain raises in early position to 225, Hero calls in middle with Kc10c. Flop comes 6x 7x 9c. Villain leads for 400, hero calls. Turn is Kx, Villain checks and Hero bets 950, Villain calls. River is Kx, Villain again checks and hero bets 3150 (was going for slight overbet to appear bluffy), Villain shoves for approximately 11k more.

No real good reads yet, only been at the table for about 20 minutes. Saw him show down just 1 hand which was J9 off after it folded to him in the button and he made it 2x to go, checked down the whole way and he tried a river bet with J high which was picked off.

Thoughts?
10-25-2014 , 02:12 AM
Man, every fiber in my being really wants to call. You have hardly any king high floats in your range and the top of your range (flopped sets) might play flop differently, unusual value sizing so overall it looks like a pretty nutted spot for him to make you hate life.

If it's a younger thinking kid I prob call but if it's somebody why doesn't look like they can construct a range I probably smh and pitch
10-26-2014 , 01:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbobwe00
Man, every fiber in my being really wants to call. You have hardly any king high floats in your range and the top of your range (flopped sets) might play flop differently, unusual value sizing so overall it looks like a pretty nutted spot for him to make you hate life.

If it's a younger thinking kid I prob call but if it's somebody why doesn't look like they can construct a range I probably smh and pitch
Seems about right.
10-26-2014 , 07:18 AM
Looks to me like a spot where nothing makes sense but they still almost always have it. I muck
10-26-2014 , 03:20 PM
he reps a straight or 99 here .... idk man lol
10-27-2014 , 08:14 AM
snap it off
10-27-2014 , 01:27 PM
Call
10-27-2014 , 01:38 PM
Call and win vs T9s
10-27-2014 , 03:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexo18
Call and win vs T9s
Would somebody, at this point in the tournament, really be turning T9 into a bluff? I don't think someone would try to get someone to fold Kx here.
10-27-2014 , 03:47 PM
In EP V is raising 66,77,99, maybe T8s? I don't see why he would check those hands on the turn with no reads on how you play. I also don't think he would check a KJ KQ AK on the turn because the K would be a good card for V to bluff. V's line really makes no sense, so I would call.

I don't like your overbet, it seems unnecessary. There aren't enough hands in V's range that would call you that you are beating for this overbet to work imo.
10-27-2014 , 04:09 PM
It seems really likely that he filled up on the river.
10-27-2014 , 06:13 PM
If we don't overbet, how much easier is this spot?
10-27-2014 , 06:30 PM
beauvanlaanen makes a good point that a flopped set (even top) are very unlikely to be played this way. The only hand that makes logical sense to me would be AK. He checks flop b/c he thinks your MP calling range has a lot of middle pairs in it. He connects on the turn but doesn't want to scare you away from calling a river bet if you don't have the king. He happily flats your large turn bet to control the pot. B/c you have checked the flop, he doesn't have you on 810 or a set, so he happily check raises all in on the river hoping you have a king and knowing he can't be beat. Thoughts?
10-27-2014 , 06:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by doyougnome
beauvanlaanen makes a good point that a flopped set (even top) are very unlikely to be played this way. The only hand that makes logical sense to me would be AK. He checks flop b/c he thinks your MP calling range has a lot of middle pairs in it. He connects on the turn but doesn't want to scare you away from calling a river bet if you don't have the king. He happily flats your large turn bet to control the pot. B/c you have checked the flop, he doesn't have you on 810 or a set, so he happily check raises all in on the river hoping you have a king and knowing he can't be beat. Thoughts?
I don't think hero checking the flop means he doesn't have T8 or a flopped set. I think checking the flop with those hands is pretty normal there. I think V would bet the K on the turn if he had AK.
10-27-2014 , 06:57 PM
Think you misread hand, he Cbet flop into me for 400. I decided to peel with the gutter, back door clubs, and two overs.

Results:
Spoiler:
I ended up calling and he shows me 66. The way he played it still doesn't make sense to me, but I guess good for him because it got him paid off? I've been thinking that I should have just pitched it since I couldn't come up with any hands that made sense, which means I should be able to find better spots in a deep MTT like the ME.
10-27-2014 , 07:33 PM
thought it was an easy boat given the river action and it is live poker, lots of mistakes happen and all and people play weird live compared to live imo (weird as in making sense)

      
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