$1100 MTT, about 25% of the field remaining and pays about 10%, so no real ICM concerns.

Blinds 100/400/800, we start the hand with around 21k and Villian has us easily covered (probably around 70-80K). I was only at the table for around 2 orbits so hadn't developed much reads, V was inexperienced but had so far been playing quite solid. Basically readless at this point.

Folds to us on the button with Qh4h and we raise to 1800, V flats in the SB, BB folds. Flop is Q6T all diamonds, and I elect to check it back here on the flop. My thinking was that i'm in a pretty terrible spot if I get c/r on the board with my stack, as getting it in with TP no kicker seems terrible given all of his hands he gets it in with will have a lot of equity against me. Also I can induce bluffs and call down on non diamond turn and rivers.

Turn is Qs, and he checks again. We bet 2400 into the pot and he flats. River is the 5c. He checks, and we bet 5500, and he moves us in after about 30 seconds of thought. We have around 11k behind so we're getting around 3-1 on a call. Do we call off here?

Hm an inexperienced solid player u say? Is such a player cabable of such a bluff? Is he good enough to go check, check call and checkraise with a made hand? I rely my decisions here allways on what i have seen from my opponent and on what thinking level he is. Its though spot specially u are behind all his value hands...

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Fold. Never good here

What's our range in this spot?
Also, from what hands are we trying getting value from otr?
We are having prob worse Qx in our range here, and we should def check sometimes (goes the same otr, if we get x/raised we're in a tough spot)
Fold as played giving reads.


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You can't check your Q on this river, you are given up way to much value. Especially if you are checking the flop to disguise your hand.

There are no worse Q hands. The 6 on the board is already playing (qqqt6).

Ty for remind me the basics of nlhe.
We´re not getting value from worse, pls expand and show me a range that calls us here, unless V is weak/bad (not saying it´s always a check, neither that we should always bet)
OP when you say V it´s ´´inexperienced´´ (you did mentioned that you have no reads), what do you mean?

Is this live or online? If live, I go with whatever read I have even if it is weak.

I guess I can see a fair number of villains shoving here with a dry Ad or something like Ad Tc. But a paired board with the Q connected to the T makes that tough, just because diamonds can't be the nuts.

I don't like the river bet here. A dry Q is a marginal holding with showdown value, while villain is more polarized. All of his Qs beat OP or chop, and there are diamonds and FHs live as well.

I very likely fold here.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or serious here, but your post seemed to miss this point by referring to worse Qs.

What are you hoping to get value from the river betting so big? 50% pot seems excessive when you want basically 4 combos AT/JJ to call you.

I dont think we often or ever should check the river the way it has been played till river. Obvious u have to be prepared what to do if get checkraised allin otr but how can we just check behind with trips by just beting on turn for value..??? Any pair can make a hero call here because no scared card changed the board really...

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pre is a little loose...id fold this hand a decent amount and start opening like q7s+
flop seems fine
turn should be more than 1/2 pot, closer to 3/4
river is obviously an extremely easy bet, checking is just nuts and rly nitty/bad.
after xrai id call pretty quickly. he can have some bluffs, and you dont block any of them. you also have the q removing alot of his value combos

There are a lot of hands that can call the river. Any pair (T, 6, 77, 88, JJ, etc.), you might even get called by an A. Hero's hand is disguised because he checked the flop. You are missing way to much value by checking the river.

Saying we should check this river is being results oriented. I think the question here is; Is the villain ever making a bluff raise on the river because it looks like hero has a marginal hand and villain things hero will fold it? The answer is yes, but not enough to make calling profitable vs an unknown.

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Meh I'm leaning towards lol also. We only have 25bb and both blinds have 3x us. It's not a must open at least.

lol - flopzilla.com find out where q4s falls
better get your weight up if your gonna troll me son

not sure why this post isnt +1d by everybody. checking back river is pretty insane unless you never bluff (which you should sometimes with some hands).