300/600 level, I have about 38k, strong image. Chipped up all day. Villain is relatively new to table. Guy in early 40s maybe. Has 70k.

Utg shoves for 5000, I call with AKo mp, villain Snap shoves 70k, never asked what my stack was, never even looked in my direction. Given my blockers and speed of shove, I'm uber confident he has QQ or possibly AK too. Aces or Kings just takes more time to deliberate to maximize. Can't see him doing this with AQ-

Head says call, gut says shorty has an one of our outs and villain has QQ and we r gonna lose flip like always. WUG?

With no data on villain and an UTG shove which includes a fair number of As and Ks, I probably muck this. Did you consider a raise on top of the 5K to isolate?

Math says your supposed to call
If U think your edge on the field can overcome that a fold could be reasonable

If we give him a range of JJ+, AK then we are 40%.

We are calling 33k to win about 77k and we'd need 42% equity to do that. If he really only has QQ+ and AK then you are 47% but do you really want to risk your stack on a timing tell in this spot?

What position is villain? Are we positive he even knows we called? As described I picture this guy sitting in SB and BB has like 14k and he's just isolating against the allin and isn't worried about the 14k ding too bad.

Villain is in button, he knows we called. He had 70k... My initial call was for 5k.

But yea this is actually a snap tbh- your flipping w dead money in there so ur already making a +ev flip and he'll show up with stuff you dominate enough of the time

TLDR: This is a clear fold. You are risking way too chips and your equity against villains range doesn't justify the risk.

Sorry for the wall of text but I think this should help you understand the scenario much better.

1) The larger your stack is, the more you should avoid scenarios where you risk busting. This is basic tournament strategy. You have a very large stack with 50bb. Don't call it off unless your expected return is very large.

2) The better player you are, the more you should avoid situations where you are calling off your stack. A break even player should avoid situations where they risk busting and the return isn't at least 10%. Why risk your stack for nothing. A good player might require a much higher threshold of return to risk their entire stack.

3) Before going into your example, I want to show a more classic example of calling off your stack with AK. You have AK and 30bb. You raise 2.5bb. You get 3bet to 6bb. You 4bet to 16bb. You get shoved on. You are calling 14bb to win a pot with over 60bb. In this scenario, you are investing 23% of the pot if you call. If you are 100% sure villain has AA or KK it is proper to fold in this spot. But I think you have to add AK, QQ to most people's ranges. Now your equity is 40%. Your risk is 23% of the pot, you win 40% of the time. This is a 73% return on your investment. It's a snap call.

4) Now let's move to your example. You need to invest roughly 40% of the total pot to call. I would want to win at least 50% of the time to make this call because it is for a ton of chips. Assuming V has a range of TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA,AK, your equity is only 41%. There is not a lot of dead money in this pot. You should never be in a spot where you are risking 40% of the pot to win only 41% of the time. You have to add AQ into villains range for this call to be worth the risk.

5) As far as live reads, I try not to put too much weight into them until I have some information to back it up. I would never assign a range as specific as QQ,AK. You don't know why people bet quickly. Some people act quickly because their hand is so strong. Others act quickly because their hand is vulnerable. Based on what you described, I would be more likely to think V is nutted and shoving quickly precisely because hand is so strong. But in general I'm going to assume a range of QQ+,AK in this spot and then adjust range based on seeing how the player plays.

Cawl, but curious why didn't you 3b.

As far as why to or not to 3b, I think this example is precisely why not to 3b. The problem with 3b is you are committing yourself to the hand unnecessarily. It becomes extremely hard to get away from your hand even if you know you are way behind.

With a hand like AK ( or other strong hands that aren't AA,KK ) I will shove in these spots if I have less than 30bb ( or if effective stacks behind me are 30bb ). If you are sure you want to commit your stack and you want other people who have similar equity to you to fold, it makes sense to raise instead of call. With AK, the last thing I want with so much already in the pot is for a hand like TT to shove. So if I can shove and possibly get the TT to fold, it's a huge win.

Where do you get 77k From? And if so, since when do you need 42% equity getting over 2 to 1? You lost me.

What? Some oddities itt-

Changed my mind. At first I though folding might be reasonable
But changed mind based on second post

Sorry, that is the way I calculate pot odds. The percentage method. 77K is the total pot if we call. So we can divide the amount we must call (33k) by what the total pot will be counting our call (77k). Unless I am missing something then yes we need 42% equity against his range to make the call.

I don't think the pot odds are that great for us to risk our tournament life here on whats most likely a coin flip.

Calling the first shove is way better than 3 betting. I'm not 3 betting any hand in that spot. Now it's close, it would usually be a call, but a fold is reasonable in such a soft tournament with a great structure. We do need a nice edge on the field to fold this after investing 15% of our stack, but just by the fact that you are posting a close hand in hsmtt and you don't sound like an idiot, I'm guessing you do have a good edge on the field.