Blinds 300/600 75 ante

villain 1 UTG 2 -45k - 50 years old, tint glasses, fairly tight. just won 20k from lady who basically stacked off with Aj on ace high board very deep. Previous had played very few hands and Cbet 1/2 of those. No other hands went to showdown.

Hero 21k UTG 3- Showed a few hands down including 2pr 87s, raised 1-2x per round, lost a medium pot w/AQ v. all in AK for 5k.

villain 2 19k Button - 30s, sunglasses, headphones, playing fairly tight, raising a few hands in position, has shown TT v. 3k all in when he called in BB. Raised 5x in SB at 50/100 level, got 3 callers, cbet 2/3 pot and took it down. 75/150 level had 3 limpers to his SB, he raises 750 and takes it down. Did not see any other hands at showdown.

Hero dealt JJ.

V1 raises 1500
Hero flats
V2 flats

Everyone else folds.

Flop: Th 5d 3d

Check to me, I bet 3k, V2 flats, V1 folds.

Turn: Tc

Check, Check

River: 7d

Check, V2 bets 6k.

Call/Fold and comments on playing this overpair. What range do you put villain?

I mean, I find it hard for you to have the best hand. He's probably got exactly a 10 on the flop like J10 109, etc or a flush draw, or even 46, AXs etc, which is ALL his calling range preflop, and that river makes the hands for the rest of the ones he'd have called with on the flop that aren't 10s. I guess you beat hands like 88 or 99, but is this guy betting those when the river makes a possible flush?

More importantly, when there's two 10's out there, most players are horrible at value betting these spots and don't. Thus his range is even more hands that beat you.

Seems like a pretty easy fold.

This has to be a fold. Is there any possibility of him floating in position and with my check of turn/river villain reads weak and bets?

i would call this definitely with the overpair. he can be betting ace high for all we know. for 6k, its such a cheap price to see his cards.

Bet turn. The T isn't likely to help him unless he has exactly AT. Anything else and he isn't playing per your provided read. V han't shown any aggression and there is no reason to give a free card. I prolly "kick myself & fold" OTR as played.

Fold.

To the dude advocating a call with JJ, what hand do you put him on that we beat?

Do you have the J?

Hands you beat- 88, 99 (12 combos)

Hands that beat you- AJdd, AQdd, KQdd, KJdd, QJdd, TJs, QTs, KTs, AT, 77, 33, 55, TT, QQ. (35 combos)

I would take out 2 combos of his flushdraws because he raises the flop with them sometimes. I would also give him only 1 combo of QQ because of pre. Add in 1 combo to account for a random float and we are left with 29 combos.

I would probably also take out a combo of 88 or 99 considering there is a small chance he would fold the flop. If you had been the PFR he probably always calls but since you flatted pre, then bet the flop with a player still to act, he will percieve your range as stronger.

The deciding factor in this hand is that some % of the time he checks back with 88 or 99 which makes this a fold.

Villain 2 starts the hand with 30 bigs and flats a raise and then a call in front of him pre. This should eliminate the big pairs and the big Ace from his range, thus reducing the hands that he's likely to show up with based on your description of him. I think there could be like 2 hands that we beat 99 & 88 which aren't all that likely and a whole slew of em that we lose to including Axdd, A10, K10s, Q10s, J10s, 109s, 77, 55, 33 based on your read of the villain. Seems like a really easy fold as played.

Definite fold. He can't put you on overpair since you flatted pre, so he isn't likely to be turning 88 or 99 into a bluff. His two most likely hands are three tens or a flush, given he flatted your bet on the flop with the PFR still to act, he's not floating with ace high or some nonsense (unless it's AdXd of course).

if the action had played out differently or positions would be different, maybe that changes things, but as played, you are not good anywhere near often enough to call.

I thought about betting turn. If I bet turn lets say 1/2 pot.. 5k (leaving me 10k) and he flats its a check fold on river. If I bet and he raises its a fold. If I check and he bets I would make decision on a read if available. I doubt I get any value from pairs under ten, maybe a flush draw calls, obv any full houses/tens.

I ended up folding on the river based on the following:

1. He is betting 6k leaving 7k behind
2. I could not think of any hands other then pure bluffs, medium pairs which I could beat. I could see villain checking back a ten or diamond draw on turn.
3. I think he check back all paired hands under tens except 88/99.


FYI: To poster who stated 6k isn't that much.. it was a larger percentage of my stack.

I really don't think this guy (based on the description) would be betting 88 or 99 on the river. I think it has to be a fold, because really, what do you beat?

Bet the turn? Or 3b pre