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09-27-2016 , 12:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMcC
If you think an old nit (as we're led to believe) is making it 40k (40% ish of his entire stack) with an offsuit/1 heart TJ, 68, 8T or 56 then you're off your lid pal
I agree two heart over cards, including JTs. We don't know he is a nit, but it is unlikely he is calling preflop in the situation with a medium or low suited connector.
09-27-2016 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
I never said I wanted to bet 50%, I said the only interesting decision here is whether to bet flop or not. It appears this is a very high freq cbet (with range basically) and it even doesnt matter much if you bet 50% or 30% pot on flop, flop strategy basically remains the same. I ran the sims with different flop sizings, ranging from 25 to 50% and it all were high freq cbets to begin with and go from there. Anyway, here is your example for a 50% potbet on flop. I would prefer a slightly smaller size tho, something between 25 & 35% to begin with actually.



Overall range advantage is 2000 vs 1500 in a 3500 pot, which is rather significant ofcourse. It's funny how some of you guys think that you can just apply every cashgame spot to mtt spots in general.

For the rest of your questions, i'm gonna direct you to piosolver yourself and let you figure it out on your own. this is way too much strat already.
good post there sir
respect
09-27-2016 , 02:38 PM
just check down and win at SD a lot vs old guy
09-27-2016 , 09:11 PM
Dont get why

betgo
madlee
lolposting2016

Give up so much of their time to help the noobs in this forum. Surely you should be charging $1000 a hour for your expert wisdom and be winning millions on the tables as your all such experts and are never wrong.

Let me know when you post some current win rates and your coaching rates i will be first in the line to sign up.

As for the hand think check and decide depending on flop sizing seems best with no heart might bet very small with a heart try and get a good barrel card on the turn or A/K. Betting cant be that bad either as long as you i dont know jam over a raise from a 70 year old.

Last edited by U shove i call; 09-27-2016 at 09:30 PM.
09-27-2016 , 09:26 PM
Will admit im pretty behind the curve with all the pio solver/GTO stuff but surely the day we have to play GTO in $1100 live events vs old dudes thats the day poker is over. Max exploitative strategy always going to be better at this live buyin level hopefully for a long time, not sure how relevant GTO is here.

But i may be wrong always happy to listen to other opinions and not bang on that my way is the only way anyone who disagrees are idiots. You guys i mentioned above should take note.

Last edited by U shove i call; 09-27-2016 at 09:33 PM.
09-27-2016 , 11:15 PM
Little Goliath, what ranges did you put in your sim? Because I can already see that you presume that hero is opening all suited aces and stuff like J9s utg with 20 something big blinds. Plugging in hands with 9 makes simulation favours our c-bet since we gonna have all strong nines in our range.
09-28-2016 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Mad1Lee
Little Goliath, what ranges did you put in your sim? Because I can already see that you presume that hero is opening all suited aces and stuff like J9s utg with 20 something big blinds. Plugging in hands with 9 makes simulation favours our c-bet since we gonna have all strong nines in our range.
As one moron mentioned earlier to another, I am confused. How does how many 9s you have in your range effect whether to cbet? Is villain going to be aware of this?

We can assume this villain is not aggressive and either cbet or check the flop, but fold if he shows strength.

This GTO stuff is useful for getting an idea of correct play, but like the ICM software IMO it isn't very useful to do detailed analysis of ranges with. At least when making decisions against opponents who are clearly not playing GTO.
09-28-2016 , 07:38 PM
i just get bored at work so i post on here. ive won a decent amount tho.
(in response to u shove i calls post)
09-28-2016 , 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by U shove i call
Will admit im pretty behind the curve with all the pio solver/GTO stuff but surely the day we have to play GTO in $1100 live events vs old dudes thats the day poker is over. Max exploitative strategy always going to be better at this live buyin level hopefully for a long time, not sure how relevant GTO is here.

But i may be wrong always happy to listen to other opinions and not bang on that my way is the only way anyone who disagrees are idiots. You guys i mentioned above should take note.
dude its the internet calm down its not that serious
09-28-2016 , 07:55 PM
Not sure where you got the impression i wasn't perfectly calm.

Just find the confidence of people who have been losing for years or were good in 2006 astounding when they still discuss high stakes mtts is all.

and if anyone wants to explain why GTO means a damn thing playing in a pretty low stakes live mtt against a old dude looking at his own 2 cards and thats it please feel free to chime in.
09-29-2016 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Mad1Lee
The beauty of poker is that 2+2 posters with registration from 2011 post stuff like "it doesn't matter who board favours, we c-bet and go from there" because you know, two more cards


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad1Lee
Little Goliath, what ranges did you put in your sim? Because I can already see that you presume that hero is opening all suited aces and stuff like J9s utg with 20 something big blinds. Plugging in hands with 9 makes simulation favours our c-bet since we gonna have all strong nines in our range.
Yes it comes down to IP flatcall range pre ofc.
But to be fair even vs stronger range IP should raise flop a lot to prevent OOP cbetting a ton which old guy wont do most likely.

@Lolposting
Some people say it becomes outdated to split all hands into discrete categories (for value, for protection, bluff etc....)
09-29-2016 , 11:45 AM
Not sure what u mean
09-29-2016 , 10:56 PM
Old guy usually has AJ-AQ or mid pairs here to flat. Occasionally AA. Wouldn't bother trying to empty the clip hoping he folds 88 exactly on the turn/river, wouldn't be too worried about getting bluffed out by AJ-AQ. Anyone doing deeper analysis than this is overthinking it imo, just c/f and get to showdown. If we open all combo's like ATs, KJs, KQo, AJo etc utg then there is no conceivable way we have a range advantage here either. I don't know what your input is but we have twice as many misses and almost no extra pairs. If you ever have 9x here then you're raising too light with a medium stack on the stone bubble.

Your shove may have some fold equity on the bubble vs a pair that raised to find out where he's at, and we might be winning a bunch vs flushdraws, but it'd be pretty dumb to bubble like this ourselves.
09-29-2016 , 11:22 PM
Cmon guys, he has to cbet in order to 3b shove
09-30-2016 , 04:49 AM
cbet smaller to set up the 3 bet shove.
09-30-2016 , 09:57 AM
c-bet super small to have room to 5b shove after he 4bets your 3bet. Gonna add more swagger and make him fold top set.
09-30-2016 , 10:58 AM
Stop being a pussy and jam pre...

Spoiler:
...punter
09-30-2016 , 11:21 AM
minbet to induce obv

tbh I didn't see it was the exact bubble, so yeah could remove some hands from the range I assigned (pbb from both) so yeah pbb a fair bit closer than I thought. I just used population ranges in both cases (for regular situations), but yeah exact bubble is different situation, my bad.

I actually like openshoving on exact bubble, if you expect a lot of flats etc
09-30-2016 , 11:53 AM
fold pre, you can't lose what you don't put in
10-02-2016 , 10:03 AM
Check/folding flop seems fine, disagree with hand being too strong. If we cbet I think we need to barrel/empty the clip a bunch.
10-06-2016 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLond
$1,100 live NLHE MTT. 36 players cash, there are 37 left.

Blinds 2500/5000/500 8 handed

I start the hand with 130k. Average stack is 193k.

I raise to 12,000 UTG with AK

It folds to the button who calls. He is an older gentleman who starts the hand with 110k and I don't have much of a read. I joined the table a couple orbits ago and nothing he's done since I got there particularly stands out. The blinds fold and we see the flop heads up.

Flop: 974

I bet 16k and he raises to 40k. I shove.

I've talked to a few different players about this hand and gotten some varied responses. I'm curious what this forum thinks.
Lol

Seems like a remarkably terrible decision to come to a place like two plus two with a hand like that looking for support.
10-06-2016 , 09:15 PM
Looks fine if you know he is desperate to cash and/or has the capacity to raise "for information"
10-07-2016 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ship
Lol

Seems like a remarkably terrible decision to come to a place like two plus two with a hand like that looking for support.
It sounds like you have different motives for posting hands than I do. I posted this hand because I am curious what other people think about an unusual line I took in a variant of poker that I don't have huge experience in.

But I would be interested to hear more about how your reason for posting hands relates to an internal struggle for approval, if you don't mind expanding on that.

      
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