At 600/1200/200, Cornell and I both have around 300k. The average is something like 80k. We're nowhere near the money. He makes it 2800 UTG (his range is probably a good bit looser than 2+2 standard but not way way out of line) and I flat next with JsJd. Button calls leaving himself 13.5k more to play. He's a bit of a monkey and probably has a horrifyingly wide range here. Blinds fold.

Flop: Td 9d 2c

Cornell checks, I bet 4k, button shoves 13.5k, Cornell calls, I make it 36k total, Cornell calls again.

Turn: (Td 9d 2c) Ad

53.5k in the main, 45k on the side

Check, check.

River: (Td 9d 2c Ad) 7d

Cornell bets 40k, call or fold? (I have the flush)
Do you like my play up to river? With which, if any, hands do you like Cornell's line? Are there other hands you expect to see frequently, even if you don't like how he played them? If you like a fold here, would you fold the queen hi flush?

Ike. A lot of people here have wildly different images of my game so it would probably help a lot if you post your complete read of me at the time.

Prior to this hand had you spoken to others about my play? Were you coming in cold just knowing me as a poster here and a mod in HSNL?

What did you think my image of you was?

Since this hand is from your perspective I will post my thoughts and my cards after a couple days but I think this hand is definitely capable of some really good discussion.

Also, as far as the action goes there was some timing considerations.



Flop: Td 9d 2c

Cornell checks after 4 seconds,
Ike bets 4k almost instantly,
button shoves 13.5k instantly,
Cornell calls after 5-6 seconds,
Ile make it 36k total after 10 seconds,
Cornell calls again instantly


Turn: (Td 9d 2c) Ad


53.5k in the main, 45k on the side

Cornell checks fairly quickly by rapping the table somewhat hard and looking over at Ike

Ike deliberates about 12 seconds before checking back

River: (Td 9d 2c Ad) 7d

Cornell Bets 40k very quickly...

I was sitting to ike's direct left during this hand and I had absolutely no clue what was going on during this hand.

FWIW, Steve bet the river within 10 seconds.

Very interesting hand.

I have no idea what to do on the river but I think your turn reraise may be a bit too small. The board is very draw heavy, the pot is already very big and with a bigger turn raise you can probably get it HU vs. the button who is allin, which should be a great result in that spot.

The only play I'm not sure about is your re-raise to 36K on the flop as it looks like what it is - an overpair, so the question is, what is he calling your re-raise with? He's priced in to chase a flush, he might have QJ or a set. Turn is interesting. He might have made his AK flush and he still might have a set since he should be fairly sure you have an overpair and therefore can't have a flush.

River is tricky. I probably call and curse the made AK flush.

Also, on stacksizes:

Ike definitely had me slightly covered; I think it was:

Ike - 270k
Me - 240k
...
3rd biggest in the tournament - 150k chips

Steve has asked me to post my read on him at the time of this hand given our couple hours playing together, since this is probably a good bit different from the read posters in this forum might have. He's opening a lot of pots and has shown up with unsuited broadway hands for EP raises, Axo from LMP, etc. I haven't seen him get out of line postflop but he doesn't exactly give off a weaktight vibe.

I've been playing significantly tighter than him but not exactly nitting it up. He knows me from the HSNL forum but we hadn't met until the day this hand happened. I don't know how much he knows about my game specifically, but at minimum he knows I play HS cash and will probably assume I have some standard cash-game-player traits: aggressive, creative, high willingness to get it in light, fancy play syndrome, even though I've kept it pretty straightforward in the hands he's seen from me.

i think you are behind on the river rlly want to learn the results

Distance doesn't help clarify things IMO. Flop line is weird, I think when Cornell coldcalls the shove his range is {overpair, top pair, flush draw}, we can probably discount overpair due to the lack of a flop bet but he could just be playing cautiously against Ike because you guys have so many chips compared to everyone else. When Ike raises Cornell has to think Ike has top pair beat, so I think that narrows Cornell's range to {flush draw, overpair} when he makes the call. At this point, I think Cornell is sure Ike is not drawing to the flush, because Ike probably would have just called getting great odds rather than semi-bluffing into a dry side pot. I'm kind of indifferent about Ike's raise on the flop, I probably wouldn't do it because you're building a huge pot against a massive stack with a marginal holding, but I think you're ahead of enough of his range that it's not necessarily bad.

The Ad hits, which if I were in Ike's shoes I would then say "wtf is going on?", since if Cornell had KQdd you would have expected him to play it more aggressively on the flop. I don't think Cornell would check a flush here, since Ike could easily have a set. Could Ike bet the turn as a bluff? Maybe. At this point I really think Cornell's range is KK-QQ.

On the river, would Cornell bluff with KK/QQ without a diamond? Overpairs are definitely in Ike's range (Would he have be the turn with a set? I don't know), and if Cornell doesn't have a diamond there's a greater than 50% chance that Ike does if he has an overpair, plus there's the short-stack all-in to worry about in the main pot, I don't think he would, so I guess fold. I don't think I'd call with the Qd either, since I don't think he'd bluff or value bet the Jd given the action. Obviously folding everything other than the nuts makes this a great spot to bluff, blah blah blah. If Cornell was able to determine that Ike never has the K of diamonds here (which I think is correct), while he could easily rep the K of diamonds, and decided to bluff with QQ no diamond, I'd have to say good for him and get him next time.

all i know is that at least one person in this hand was value-bluffing, maybe two. it's a damn interesting hand, but i probably fold the JdJ.

cool hand. i call here. i like your play, and i think cornell played his hand pretty badly with just about any imaginable hand (if he is going to check this board with these stacks and put a lot of money in why isn't he c/r-ing the flop, or better yet leading), and i don't think i can be convinced otherwise even if he has some read on you that you don't know about.

so if cornell's range is wider than just big overpairs, as i'm sure it is, and assuming he would play those hands differently most of the time, i have to assume he has some sort of paired hand that hit the flop, and that since the sidepot is nearly as big as the main, he'll be betting the river with all his paired, non-flush hands and his big diamonds, of which there are obviously fewer combos... i mean, you're getting good odds on a call and the action is so unorthodox that i would be hard pressed to find a fold here.

the only thing that gives me pause is his timing...

^^ Just trying to understand what you wrote, are you saying that Cornell is betting his entire range on the river?

nope. i think he is only betting his big diamonds and all his non-flushed hands, and i think his range is wider than that for getting to the river with this action.

I'd have a real tough time folding here because I'd have a real tough time putting cornell on a big diamond with the action on the flop. QJ with Qd? seems awfully loose, especialyl for a real quick call on the flop. KK QQ with d? KdQd? As Krantz kind of alluded to, these are probably shoving hands on teh flop. KK and QQ in particular wouldn't check the flop to begin with. Only things I see are QT/KT type of hands with the diamond. Pretty narrow range if you ask me.

The river bet is very strong though especially given relative chip positions in teh tournament. The timing also gives me pause, but I really don't know if I can make the fold here, especially since the sidepot is big enough for a bluff.

Steve im'ed me about ike's flop raise size and I just want to clarify the numbers are correct, he made it 22.5k more over the 13.5k shove so there was 45k on the side.