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04-17-2017 , 10:26 AM
Hey guys so i am reasonably new here. I am just after some thoughts about this hand. I feel like i have played the turn incorrectly, and should be raising or folding the turn, more than calling.

UTG: t15600 M = 12.28
UTG+1: t12214 M = 9.62
MP1: t6109 M = 4.81
MP2: t13595 M = 10.70
CO: t9985 M = 7.86
BTN: t9257 M = 7.29
SB: t11271 M = 8.87
Hero (BB): t17298 M = 13.62

Pre Flop: (t1270) Hero is BB with 9 Q
6 folds, SB raises to t1210, Hero calls t710

Flop: (t2940) 3 8 Q (2 players)
SB bets t1205, Hero calls t1205

Turn: (t5350) 4 (2 players)
SB bets t2838, Hero calls t2838

River: (t11026) 6 (2 players)
SB bets t5953 all in, Hero calls t5953

What are your thoughts?
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04-17-2017 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by deepozzzie
I feel like i have played the turn incorrectly, and should be raising or folding the turn, more than calling.
No, calling is the only play you should be considering vs most people. Raising accomplishes almost nothing and folding is too tight. It's kind of important to know the suits of the hand for proper analysis.
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04-17-2017 , 10:50 PM
    Poker Stars, $150 Buy-in (250/500 blinds, 65 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37707218

    UTG+2: 15,600 (31.2 bb)
    MP1: 12,214 (24.4 bb)
    MP2: 6,109 (12.2 bb)
    MP3: 13,595 (27.2 bb)
    CO: 9,985 (20 bb)
    BTN: 9,257 (18.5 bb)
    SB: 11,271 (22.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): 17,298 (34.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 Q
    6 folds, SB raises to 1,210, Hero calls 710

    Flop: (2,940) 3 8 Q (2 players)
    SB bets 1,205, Hero calls 1,205

    Turn: (5,350) 4 (2 players)
    SB bets 2,838, Hero calls 2,838

    River: (11,026) 6 (2 players)
    SB bets 5,953 and is all-in, Hero calls 5,953

    Spoiler:
    Results: 22,932 pot
    Final Board: 3 8 Q 4 6
    SB showed 4 4 and won 22,932 (11,661 net)
    Hero showed 9 Q and lost (-11,271 net)



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    Oh sorry is that better?
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    04-18-2017 , 01:49 AM
    Try to not post results OP (for obv reasons)
    I'm kinda station in this spots so can't blame you for calling (esp BvB) , but holding the 9s sucks (we really don't wanna hold a in our hand ) , we block a lot of his barelling/semibluffs hands (SD and FD)
    Guess we can fold river, but is kinda exploitative if we always fold our TP.



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    Last edited by OutPlayU27; 04-18-2017 at 01:54 AM. Reason: Guess folding turn makes sense, but maybe to tight to do so
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    04-18-2017 , 12:32 PM
    I like just calling down here. No issues
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    04-18-2017 , 02:54 PM
    We have to call some Qx here on the river, but I think we can fold any Qx hand that has a blocker to draws plus maybe Q7 and worse.
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    04-19-2017 , 07:37 AM
    Think jamming turn is fine given people over cbet and therefore turn more draws than they should. We want to protect out equity this shallow and we can get b/c by worse.
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    04-19-2017 , 07:50 AM
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    Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
    Think jamming turn is fine given people over cbet and therefore turn more draws than they should. We want to protect out equity this shallow and we can get b/c by worse.


    With what hands(range) are we getting to turn/river?
    We prob gii w/ FD otf and 3bet jamm most pp 's and KQ/AQ, but like i said having 9s sucks big time for obv reasons, but still need to give him a chance to punt, so Imo shoving turn is just clicking buttons, I'll rather jamm flop.


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    04-19-2017 , 08:28 AM
    Like you said we 3b jam AQ/KQ and possible some QJ/QT combos dependoing on villain. So Q9 is very high in our range.

    We have every other Qx combo on the flop, folding any Q pre is mistake. Can raise our best ones (QJ-Q9), bluff rasing some bottom pairs and some hands that block TP with backdoor KT for example. So it leave Q8-Q2 and 8x/3x OTT. We need to call every Qx again, most 8x and even 3x that dont block bluffs.

    Quick PIO as im not doing anything else
    Given 45% open from sb and we defend 64% minus our 3b jam hands preflop
    SPR is 3 OTF
    OOP can bet/bet/jam
    IP can call, raise 2.5x or jam flop/ call or jam turn
    IP can bet 30% pot when x to


    Given PIO the sizes used by sb

    PIO flop solution - OOP cb 95% given with have big equity/nut adv. This is IP response to cb


    turn solution, IP response to turn barrel



    So yea never jamming flop but raising best Qx some FDs and back doors, turn we jam about 23%. This is when we face turn barrel only 38% of the time. A lot of NFD and Kx FFD should not barrel as b/c sucks but people do it so meas we should jam even more if we nodelocked.

    obvioulsy this doesnt represent what popultion is doing from villains perspective but it shows jamming turn is clicking buttons. Jamming flop is.

    When stacks are shallow is all about equtiy protection. Villains has to bet/call FDs, combo draws, any Qx that barrels and K8 if those get bet


    way to much strat :/

    Last edited by Big_Mick00; 04-19-2017 at 08:36 AM.
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    04-19-2017 , 12:27 PM
    Tbh i never used Pio and softwares (i have Flopzilla, and only played w/ him a couple of times, i´m just to lazy :P) good work! Ty

    Last edited by OutPlayU27; 04-19-2017 at 12:30 PM. Reason: i like to think i play a more ´´exploitative´´ style, but math is the future i guess
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    04-25-2017 , 05:32 AM
    pretty easy fold river based on his line


    what worst hand is he shoving other than complete bluff?

    has KQ and AQ most of the time here
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