Betgo you know it isn't 2005 anymore right?

what a waste of 10 minutes of my life

Think I shouldn't defend myself so much. Feel I may have fed the troll by responding, but here goes.

I had the highest ROI in $16/18s not in 2005, but 2011 before BF. After BF, I mostly played $2/5 NL because that was what they had at the local casino and I didn't want to take big risks with my more limited bankroll. I got sick with pneumonia and couldn't play much for 2 months.

No, I can't provide any stats since BF, and that is one reason I am only charging $50/hour. If you want to believe I lost my ability to win at poker in 18 months you can. However, it is possible my lessons are a good value.

really hope I am present to witness this

Soo ****ing clowny to just blindly believe some random skype message then present it like fact, try to bet on it, etc. At least as clowny as anything betgos done in his life. May not be direct lying but might as well be.

I still don't get the vitriol. Betgo posts in HSMTT when he doesn't play HSMTTs. Big deal. Betgo makes claims that, when investigated forensically, prove optimistic or inflated, misleading or even down right false when marketing a service he provides at $50 an hour. So what?

I've already pointed out that its gibberish to suggest that Betgo has deliberately inflated his post count over 8 years so he could push poker lessons but even were that true, so what?

Who are the innocents you are protecting? If Betgo's customers are too stupid to make an accurate assessment of the value that his service offers (which is to give no opinion of its value myself), then they're probably not cut out for poker anyway. The first poker manual I bought and downloaded from the Internet was pretty bad but it had been marketed with an animal cunning (which is not a phrase that I would ever have associated with Betgo). I learned important lessons about information and value and was disappointed rather than overcome with righteous fury that the download's author understood poker less well than I did.

Furthermore, Betgo was a regular poster with a relatively high post count when I first posted here. He's always always been berated. And much as I'd rather not be part of the hissing majority, I'd posit that it's hard to find value in anything that Betgo has ever posted about strategy if you've played poker for more than 100 hours in your life. The fact that this is endlessly pointed out I would suggest entirely counteracts any marketing value from just being a presence in HSMTT and having a high post count.

But it's a poker discussion forum. If he wants to discuss poker, let him.

As for your reaction, let's take a real life analogy of a service provider marketing his/her service as misleadingly expert by any reasonable definition of expert. I'm a real sucker and in my life I've paid for tarot readings, hypnotherapy, counselling, electricians and in every case I've concluded afterwards that they were charlatans. To be honest, this has rarely bothered me much but if it did, I don't think that it would be right to stand outside their place of business with placards or a megaphone calling them out on, in the great scheme of things, very mildly shady self-promotion.

Betgo's posted on average ten times a day here for eight years, perhaps all his adult life, I don't know. And because he, what, posts drivvle in your strategy thread and makes out he's better at poker than anyone with an ounce of discernment would conclude he is, you're going to remorselessly hound him off the forum? FFS man.

I think you/everyone misunderstands this.

I wasn't betting that the skype message was fake/real. I was betting that the person told me it and I wasnt' making it up/lying.

I clearly stated my source in the post, and its up for viewers to determine the validity of the source.

Betgo called me a liar. I'm not a liar. I had skype log with the student to prove it. I had never even seen the skype log between betgo and the student.

Cliff notes:

'Munk, you are 100% right but you are a douchebag and why would you do this?'

Is that accurate?

I can't argue against this. It seems fairly accurate. I will say him constantly making remarks to me about my old account, makeup, and threatening to fight me put me over the edge and made me lose any sympathy I could have had for the guy.

I also have a huge ego. I posted an interesting ICM hand and he responded with no understanding of the math/analysis arguing in a different direction than I was leaning to in the hand. It disgusted me that he could pretend he was an expert, and throw around these terms like 'payout differences and potodds counteract icm' while having no idea what they meant and being way off. I probably overreacted, but I regret nothing. I do not think the job of a 'professional poker coach' should exist except in rare circumstances and betgo clearly isn't the one. He clearly is hustling, and its wrong.

borgata...plz tell me ur not mike dentale aka roid rage

I am.

Follow me on twitter @mikunbelievable

I'm one of the best east coast grinders out there!

thought u were alik_stein on tweeter?

gotta say im pretty impressed at munks persistence to rid a forum of what he considers to be a cancer. takes a lot of dedication and a true love of the internet and thats something i can support. god bless

I understand what he meant and agree that it was a call. It came down to whether or not villain was shoving 15% or more. Any sit and go reg will tell you that a decent villain should be shoving wider than that to a small button raise in that spot. The Nash shove is 25% so the break-even reshove/call range is far wider than TT according to Nash. I know betgo is a very good 18/45 player as I used him for coaching. Another player who was coached by him has told you much the same. He is a decent coach for the limits he teaches and represents good value at $50 an hour.

betgo has accepted that some of his posts on this forum have not been great but I can't fault the one you are going off the rails about nor do I understand why you are attacking his credentials as a coach when you can see what his ex-students say and can see his stellar results for 2010-2011.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are an idiot just like betgo. I'd love to see the math of 'nash shove is 25%' You are a moron when it comes to this math just like betgo. You do not understand what it means as the statement makes no sense. It is just gibberish.

I'd love for you to explain 'The Nash shove s 25%"

That is just really really dumb and in no way can 25% be correct in any sort of equilibrium here. Feel free to prove me wrong with math. I could be wrong, or misunderstanding you, but its unlikely. You sound just like bet go and you have noi dea what you are talking about. I have spent more hours toying around with Nash calculators than probably 99.9999% of poker players. I sometimes would grind 6max hypers back inday literally nashing every spot. Whenever I find a close spot in a MTT tubro on stars I nash it. I do not know what the **** kind of ranges you are talking about for 25% to be part of any sort of nash range, but maybe you just are bad at explaining it.

Anyway, I'm wasting my time talking to you. You think that because he had a good ROI in 16$ sngs years ago means he can be a competent coach. I think that is a laughable thought. Most would agree with me. Agree to disagree!

His exstudents (like you) clearly are dumb just like him. These responses are showing it. You have to be a fool to defend betgo, for obvious reasons.

I multiaccount twitter.

If your hatred could be turned into electricity, it would light up the whole world.

Hansen should be raising quite wide on the button (about 25%) and folding a lot to a shove which covers him (about 75% to 80%) as it's a money bubble and there's a shortstack in the BB. That means the SB can shove wide quite profitably (about 25%). You can do the precise maths yourself.

The three handed situation is very different from the 6 max hypers where the three handed play is the 65/35/0 or 70/30/0 bubble.

I have made a considerable adjustment from Nash (from 25% to 15%ish) and TT is still a call. Any up-to-date sng reg would feel very dirty folding TT in this spot.

He knows his ICM. It was impossible to achieve 18% roi in the $16/18 mans in 2011 without a solid knowledge of ICM. That was about 5% higher than anyone else. Betgo's game was very close to optimal and I won quite a lot after taking lessons from him. I regarded the lessons as great value as there were worse players asking for $100 an hour. The other ex-student in this thread also said that he won money after good lessons from betgo. I would add that betgo was very free with his time so he could be skyped etc without additional charge.

I have been lurking these forums for quite a while and have never seen betgo represent himself for anything more than he is. I have played him and believe he is qualified to coach at the levels he states. I have seen the butt piling dynamic here the last few weeks but if anyone is trolling his low stakes coaching thread I think its just immature like a lot of posters ITT.

HSMTT is becoming a troll playground like HSNL it took a couple years but exactly what I thought would happen when it split off.

lol i was about to make a post like, you are right but why harass this poor guy to this extent.

theres my answer.

p.s. (hopefully you didnt make that trade in ff... i cant remember the specifics but i think it involved you giving up AP and cam... )

Oh, so that explained it, you ARE an idiot.

Gus shouldn't be raising 25% on the button BECAUSE of the extreme ICM considerations and with a bb with 10bbs.

This spot actually is a TERRIBLE spot to be raising wide, and Gus knows that.

So let me get this straight, you just GAVE gus an opening range you deeemed was acceptable and passed off the neutral reshoving range as 'nash' HAHAHAA. Yes, if you give him a raising %, you can calculate the nash equilibrium for that raising range, but you made no mention of calculating Gus's raising range.

You can't just assume. I don't know why I'm talking to you anymore. Its quite clear you are just a betgo troll, and do not know what you are talking about. I am done explaining to you. You can pay for my coaching if you want more advice.

Was Brady, Peterson, Schaub, Steelers D for
Newton, Flacco, Marshall, Patriots D

I pressed further, I've scored 8 fewer points so far in our fantasy format. (25 more pts out of defense so that means less though) But Newton has gone bonkers, but so has APETE.

The main reason I made trade was I wanted to make the playoffs really bad, and figured it was neutralish, but peterson was on bye. Week 11 is the last week of regular season and I had to win to get in...and needed WR help.

As it turned out I had most points in my league in the playoff weeks, but it didn't matter. I played a terrible team that had Andre Johnson week 11 and I lost because he had Andre Johnson by only a few points. (Ironically, if I kept Shaub it would have cancelled out Andre and I win.)

So many ways to look at trade! I probably ****ed up though. Esp with keeper considerations I mean APeterson had to play chicago twice and GB didn't expect him to just run wild like he has thought he'd die down a bit. OH WELL!

No **** it is extremely different. I study Nash in several different payouts.

He doesn't know his ICM, and neither do you. This is proven.

Comparing this hand in 2004 to up to date SNG regs in a current spot is hilarious.

I'm done talking to you in this thread for real now. You have no idea what you are talking about, and this is hopefully obvious to anyon looking in on this thread. I explained quite clearly that betgo doesn't even know the basics of ICM calculations many times.

Only a moron would input his own raising range he decided for Gus on the button, and then decide that the equilibrium reshove range for him is 'Nash' Its not 'Nash' Its only nash for the button range you gave. That doesn't make it 'Nash'. That means if you have Gus raising whatever out of whack range which may or may not be +EV or -EV than if Paul Phillips knows that, he can shove X% and that range is break-even vs what I assume w/e calling range you are giving gus?

You don't know what your talking about m8, sorry. And I'm too tired to keep explaining it ITT, dealing with this nonsense. I will not respond to your next post, just fyi. You are ignored.

Although I guess I do appreciate you coming in here and proving your ignorance so you are sort of proving my point.

There is no such thing as a 'Nash opening range' at least that has been solved et for villain.

You are a ****ing moron. Stop posting nonsense.

If there was an exact range that you knew was unexploitable to r/c r/f or shove then there wouldn't be any sng players, all sng players would be Nash Calculators. God, how dumb can you be? You are making up numbers and playing them off as fact. You are worse than betgo.

Crosspost from the coaching advice thread.

I should point out that there is a Nash (GTO/unexploitable) opening range. But it isn't solved. What this idiot has been talking about and trying to prove me wrong is plugging in a button opening % for gus, and then saying what the breakeven reshove range is. Obviously that exists.

Ok, done talking to this betgo inspired troll.

Of course there is. Just think about it for a short time. You don't know how to work it out I do.

That IS the Nash for a 2.8 raise in this spot. Take my word for it.

He should because he can raise/fold a lot and still be profitable (over 75% of the time vs the big stack). He should open wider if he thinks the SB is only shoving 15%.


Your advice on this hand has been confused imo . Don't raise TT because you will have to fold too often but then you say the SB is only shoving 14% !
If that's the case then you can raise/fold TT and a heck of a lot more profitably.

As for not comparing 2004 players with now where's the value in posting this hand then ? Imo Hansen and PP were nittier then but it doesn't change the Nash and they probably weren't as nitty as you are claiming.

amazing, a real moron who's a laughing-stock of several 2+2 forums (he hasn't posted on the rest yet) comes to the rescue

betgo's con is safe