Betgo vs Munk official thread.
01-07-2016
, 12:42 AM
Eeep/ouch -- why put that idea out there?
Two of us Aspies is enough to keep this thread in perpetual cantletgomotion, dont risk a wormhole opening by inviting a third!
04-14-2017
, 06:14 AM
04-14-2017
, 05:48 PM
04-14-2017
, 09:02 PM
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I have had enough of this and will try to not post in this thread and definitely not anything else in this forum. In fact, I will try to post less on 2+2 like everyone else has.
I need to concentrate on my unprofitable play and coaching my students who are too donkish to realize how bad I am.
I remember when this forum was created, there was a discussion of having a list of approved posters. I joked that I might not be on it as a lot of people didn't like my posts in the single "MTT" forum as registrar implied. Someone told me, no I was one of the first on the list that the mod, the guy who does the "Raw Deal" on WPT shows, was making up. So I have been posting here from the beginning. There have been a lot of changes since then with the 2nd split, changes in style of play, changes in what I play, and my coaching listing. So I guess I stayed here way to long. Goodbye.
I need to concentrate on my unprofitable play and coaching my students who are too donkish to realize how bad I am.
I remember when this forum was created, there was a discussion of having a list of approved posters. I joked that I might not be on it as a lot of people didn't like my posts in the single "MTT" forum as registrar implied. Someone told me, no I was one of the first on the list that the mod, the guy who does the "Raw Deal" on WPT shows, was making up. So I have been posting here from the beginning. There have been a lot of changes since then with the 2nd split, changes in style of play, changes in what I play, and my coaching listing. So I guess I stayed here way to long. Goodbye.
filtered for only your posts betgo couldnt find any graphs
seems to all be blown out of proportion tbh but it was in 2011 so w/e right? u still crushing 180s and 18s?
04-15-2017
, 01:29 AM
I am going to respond. I know this is getting tiresome. If you want to view it as I am trolling, I have been trolled by Stealmunk and others ITT, so maybe I am trolling back.
I posted stats toward the end of this thread. I had fantastic graphs in my coaching thread that were just consistently up in $16/18s.
I was banned from Poker Stars in mid 2011, and cannot play 18s and 180s. Even if I did, I would not be able to post stats publicly.
From 2004-2008 I had huge ROIs on all sites, very consistently, playing MSMTT/HSMTT at progressively higher stakes. In 2009-2010, I had losing results in $50+ NLHE MTTs, but very high ROI below those stakes and in other MTTs, such as PLO8 and HORSE. I also had among the highest ROI in 180s.
In 2011, I was crushing $16/18s with an 18% ROI when the next person had 13%, with extremely consistent results. I also had way the highest way ROI of anyone in $12/180s. Obviously, I was planning on moving up in stakes with MTTSNG when BF hit.
As for my coaching, most of my business was in MTTSNGs based on the spectacular recent stats and reviews. However, I was qualified to coach low stakes just based on the old stats in H/MSMTT.
As far as I can understand, there were a few people openly professional coaches at $80-200/hour, just based on old stats. From what I can tell they had highly exploitative style that didn't work anymore, and used their exploitative skills on students. I assume that they had high levels of scamming skills, as I did not find it easy to get business except based on current results. Stealmunk showed no interest in them, but instead attacked me.
At the time of Stealthmunk's attacks, I had extremely high ROI on US sites, but I didn't want to post stats, as the volume and stakes were relatively low. I was mostly playing live and on sites I could not post stats for. I also was hesitant to give out screen names, as I was concerned about trolling. I was concerned that it would put too much pressure of me, to be always playing enough online MTTs and at stakes that would show both high ROI and ABI. I wanted to protect my source of income from playing, as my coaching and video side business had already been damaged.
I may not be rich crushing the highest stakes like Stealthmunk. However, I have consistently strong results since BF, as I did before it. Lately, I have been really crushing at mid stakes. I may provide stats, but I want them to be really spectacular before disclosing anything. I don't have that much interest in selling shares, and it is awkward to do further coaching, so I don't have so much reason to do this.
I didn't do anything wrong. I had stats for what I was coaching, and wasn't coaching much anyway. I am not sure why I should have to permanently prove I am winning big, even though I am.
I would have been glad to explain all of this before and tried to do so. There was not a reasonable discussion, just attacks. Stealthmunk made hundreds of attacking and libelous posts. The mods moved his posts in my coaching listing to a “Betgo Coaching” thread in coaching advice and allowed Stealthmunk to make dozens of libelous posts in an About the Forums thread I created asking that the trolling and libel be stopped. Shouldn't that thread have been limited to discussion of whether the libel should be allowed to continue. Isn't it sort of obvious that one person making hundreds of posts attacking someone could be trolling and libel? 2+2 deliberately allowed libel in order to profit from increased traffic due to high view count threads.
Everyone seemed to think it was a big joke, but now it is not so amusing. Don't other people do coaching, make videos, sell shares, stake people and so on? Would you want this sort of libelous attack on you?
I have grounds to sue 2+2, which I am not going to do. However, I question their adopting a very unusual policy in allowing attacks that almost no other site would allow.
04-18-2017
, 07:33 AM
