These aren't false and slanderous you complete fool. They are complete truths. When will you get that through your thick skull?

Thats the thing Micro students do not know that they are recieving bad info, because they don't know what good info is. It is a complete foreign language to them.

You damage your own reputation enough claiming to be an expert and posting worthless nonsense in HSMTT for years, and then icing on cake claiming to be an expert in analyzing math situations/ICM, and then spewing utter bull****/nonsense such as, 'payouts and potodds counteract ICM' They don't. I prove this. You are clueless in to the area you claim to be an expert at. This makes you a fraud. Plain and ismple. I'm not trolling. They aren't slanderous. You are a straight up fraud. I hope your students get together and sue you, but it probably isn't worth there time because you only get them for as small as a couple hundred dollars. You've committed the perfect crime. Congrats.

And even if you are a decent coach, which has yet to be proven. You still lied about your expertise. That can be proven. Your skills as a coach are mostly opinion/qualitative data/testimonials. However, your inability to analyze that 24bb resteal/icm spot is purely quantitative. It is mathematical fact that you are clueless as to what you are talking about. And I quoted many times in your thread your claims to being an expert at that sort of thing.

Now I only hope you don't steal any more money from new students, and if you manage to, at least they can read the thread/do a quick google search and find out the truth.

Betgo's voice sounds like the one of a nice guy. The poker information is awful as expected, but my sympathy for the man has increased, he can do no harm.

Really? Maybe you can represent Betgo. Todd Terry will represent me. You have no idea what slander is if you think anything I have said has slandered betgo. I provide facts and quotes.

Also, he isn't a winning player. He has no record of playing poker in years. Maybe he was a winning player, but aside from that, he has fraudulently misrepresented himself as an expert in certain areas of poker he is a novice at. This is not slanderous, as I explain in great detail those areas while showing where he quoted.

Betgo has yet to even admit it because he knows its a slippery slope when he admits to lying.

BETGO, do you still think you are an expert in resteal situations/mathematical analysis of late game ICM situations as you state in the OP of your coaching thread!? Because quite a lot of posts in the Paul Phillips thread suggest otherwise! Were you drunk? Did you have an off day? an off year? Rusty? lol, no you are just an idiot. Its plain as day to anyone with a brain/that understands poker. Unfortunately, to novice poker players, (the players you maliciously target for 50$/hr) they don't know any better. Thats whats disgusting. It makes it even more sick that these players probably work real jobs to make that money as they aren't really pros, and they in turn pay their hard earned money to a fraud fake poker pro. The whole process makes me sick and I really hope when the mods get to the bottom of this and see you for the fraud you are, you can no longer advertise in HSMTT and then no longer feel the need to post here.

Style

Very strong with math and strategy. Adapts to tournament structure and players. Tricky and trappy. Tries to look weak with good hand. Also, hard to read when aggressive whether value betting, semibluffing, or bluffing. Will teach standard rules, but don't always follow them. Everyone plays the same these days. I use nonstandard lines to confuse opponents.


I got a good laugh there. Its almost too good to be true. Would any winning midstakes MTT player really want coaching from someone who claims to be an expert at the stuff he does yet has a bio like this? Its like he is specifically targeting people that have no idea about poker, but try to sound cool to them. Its disgusting. I know he has the whole forest gump thing going for him now, in that he's obviously on the slow side. But like if forest gump was making 40k/year coaching, do you think that would be fair? Its just straight robbery, plain and simple.

I didn't misrepresent anything. I had the highest ROI in $16/18s. People may look down on that, but I had to understand ICM situations to do that. I may not understand things to Stealthmunks satisfaction, but that doesn't mean I can't help my students.

I may not be a great player according to people in this forum, but that does not mean I am not a qualified coach at the rates I charge. I have a right to do my business. This is not fair and not acceptable.

The only at all negative posts in 10 pages of coaching thread was by Stealthmunk. It is completely unacceptable that he should be allowed to continue to try to damage my business in this way.

This is totally outrageous that I pay for a coaching ad and they allow this troll to continue to slander and libel my coaching services.

That is my style. Maybe you think it is not a good one. The tendency these days is to play always aggressive in certain predictable ways. You think that is better.

You have absolutely no business attacking me like that. This is ridiculous. I don't know if I should keep responding. 2+2 should not allow this troll and bully to continue this.

There is no reason that this troll should be allowed to continue to attack my coaching services like this.

Hmm didn`t know he posted in ur coaching thread as well, seems kinda bad imo, not sure what the rules are there. Sorry if u got impression from my post that i thought there was misrepresentation :P

Yeh, they moved the stuff in my coaching thread to a separate thead in Coaching Advice. They said they would delete that thread if the mods in HSMTT said he was trolling. Apparently the mods here said he wasn't since it is still there.

I am getting really angry when he criticizes the honest expression of my style. I guess he doesn't approve of playing tricky, trappy, and taking unconventional lines. The player who has coached me, Scott Seiver (mastr), and those who exchanged HHs with me, dudeoflife and yugiohpro, would confirm that is how I play. I guess Stealthmunk doesn't approve of it.

Stealmunk continues to post not only on 2+2 but in this thread and in the thread that has been moved to coaching advice. This is a totally outragious way for a business to treat one of its advertisers.

http://www.trademarkia.com/trademark...n=NY+backraise

Not sure what is funny about NY backraise. That was the name for the play used by another video on that site and I used it. My videos may not be perfect, but I am qualified to coach at the rates I charge. I should not have to defend myself like this.

Betgo, you of course are going to say you are qualified to coach at the rates you charge. You are a bit biased, don't you understand why it means nothing coming from you? I don't know why you keep saying it with no extra point to come along with it.

The mods of course won't delete it because I'm not "trolling" because you have posted consistently terrible advice for years in HSMTT. And it became unbearable having to see 'see my coaching listing' being in every thread in HSMTT when you have no idea what you are talking about. I've explained as much many times. Its getting old repeating myself. Just stop posting and this will die maybe. You are digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole. I have it setup that if your coaching thread gets bumped it will email me, so I can send a link to the threads to potential students so they can get an idea of your skill level in the areas of expertise you claim to have, and what many HSMTTers think of your posts/game. And they can also realize you have no results for the past 3 + years. Then they can make there own educated guess as to if you are a worthy coach, not a charlatan. That is all.

Maybe I did post bad stuff in HSMTT by HSMTT standard and you were offended that it said see my coaching listing. However, you have no business contacting anyone who bumps my coaching thread etc.

In my coaching listing moved to Coaching Advice, he offers to coach any of my students for free and correct my misconceptions.

Again, this is a totally unacceptable way for a business to treat an advertiser. There is no reason that Stealthmunk should be allowed to continue troll like this. I have paid $3K in advertising fees and should not be subjected to this.

If you are running a dishonest business in which you lie about your expertise, you deserve to be subjected to this. You are a fraud. I am making it public knowledge. Even if twoplustwo inaccurately decides to protect you for its own personal money compensation, I am going to save all my posts, so I can make a website that will make sure anyone is capable of googling, realizes what a charlatan you are.

I will also include in the website free educational material on ICM/resteal/math in poker, too. In fact, I might do that anyway! But I'm confident twoplustwo will make the right decision.

I'm trying to undo the damage you caused to these young poker players careers, and I enjoy helping/coaching people, and coincidentally enough, I am an expert in ICM/resteals/late game MTT play. I can have several reputable people vouch this obviously.

Information should be out there. You shouldn't be allowed to steal from people just because you offer the lowest rates and have the highest post count and only target customers that couldn't tell the difference between betgo worthless analysis and Sauce123/phil galfond high level analysis. So all of their positive reviews mean nothing, and its probably a lot of placebo effect too. Just the ACT of getting coached will help a lot of people improve.

Your posts are getting further and further out of line I guess the mods will allow anything. I don't know why you are picking a fight with me. I will investigate whatever recourse is available to me.

Have a blast, betgo! We live in America, man. Freedom of speech. I haven't lied once. I have supported all of my claims with quotes and facts. I just share my opinion about your game.

I wonder how many students you threatened with legal action if they gave you a bad review

Ok, I was kidding there Its obvious to me though at least that you are in the practice of searching for the easily manipulated and dumb students that will give you good reviews/not know what is good coaching. Its worked well for you. You paid 3k in caoching fees, wow! So that means you must have made over 3k coaching. Thats sick to me. You make more an actual qualified public school teacher can make, and yo aren't even good at your job. You haven't even actually worked in the current poker climate in years! I will stop posting if you stop posting, but as long as you keep spreading nonsense, I have no choice but to educate and spread the truth as I have taken on the rule of MTTc's Dark Knight.

As betgo is making litigation threats, if any of betgo's former students want to make a claim in small claims court against betgo, I'd be more than willing to help gather the information necessary to prove that he lied on his resume/coaching OP about his expertise in certain areas of MTT/MTTsng poker, namely restealing/ICM/mathematical analysis/mtt late game play.

Cheers,
-bg85

Have fun contacting any prospective students and starting a website attacking me.

I am really suprised 2+2 allows this. I am pretty sure 2+2 will take action.

This is pretty serious harassment. As I said, you are damaging your reputation much more than mine.

I am reevaluating what to do about the situation.

If you suceed in destroying my coaching business it wouldn't significantly effect my total income, but I will evaluate how to deal with this.

I will only start a website spreading truths and warning you from exploiting more naive up and coming poker players for money. I'm not attacking you. I couldn't care less about you. I have no idea who you are. I've never interacted with you before. I just am protecting the students trying to improve in poker. I was once a donkey 13 year old tryin to learn the game and I found poker forums, and if not for some of the good help I got, I wouldn't have been as successful as I've been in poker. If on the other hand, I had betgo as my only resource coming up, I'd probably be an idiot, like betgo.

I hope I don't have to do this, as I suck at websites and don't really want to waste my time. But I 100% will do it if 2p2 decides to censor me to keep you paying them advertising fees. Then twoplustwo would be just as guilty in censoring me, to keep up your scam. The blood would be on their hands too of the innocent coaching fraud victims. As they are paying you, and you are paying twoplustwo with their hard earned money and they learn nothing from it as you are incapable of teaching them in the areas you claim to be an expert in.

You are surprised 2+2 allows freedom of speech? I have not lied at all. I support everything with facts and analysis. You do nothing to defend yourself for the most part other than probably having a few of your buddies post on your behalf. Most of the people that understand ICM/restealing/math that you claim to be an expert in, are I'm sure explaining to the moderators that you are not what you claim to be, and are therefore a fraud.

My reputation is perfectly fine, but thanks for looking out for me. I don't need to go to these shady tactics to find people to coach to support myself. I do just fine letting my game and results and analysis do the talking for me. In fact, I'm pretty sure my reputation is only improving due to the time I've spent in these threads. I've gotten several PMs and messages thanking me for my service.

Cheers,
-bg85

Cliffs at bottom...

Alright, I'll give a serious opinion about the whole "Betgo the coach" drama:

A: Munk and most people in this forum have not discussed poker with micro-low limit players for years, so they probably forgot how bad those guys think and play. If you charge any of them $50/hour and point out some of the most atrocious mistakes they make, those $50 pay for themselves in the next 24 hours. It's as simple as making them understand they can't cold call a 3bet for 25% of their stack with 44, and I'm sure Betgo can tell them that. Whether they can find that info for free almost anywhere or not is nobody's problem, what is a fact is that in the long run any single piece of knowledge they receive is worth much more than just a few dollars.



B: Betgo is obviously not a high level thinking player, and some of the things he has posted in this forum have made me want to stick red hot forks in my eyes, but I remember being REALLY bad at poker myself and that didn't retract me from posting a lot on pk5's in the past. Now I'm just less bad, I dare to post here, and nobody can deny me that privilege.



C: What looks bad in most/many of Betgo's strategic posts is the combination of uneducated opinions with a coaching add. Some of his posts are among the worse things ever typed in the history of internet, but for a poker novice looking for a coach, a guy with over 24K posts, many of them in the most respected tournament forum in the world, can seem as good enough credentials to hire his services not realizing that many of those posts include terrible advise. The most recent example can be found here. In this respect, I am with Munk: He should make clear that he's not talking about something he understands, otherwise he can be misleading potential costumers. In other words, that post should be labeled with this image:





D: As much as I like Justin and admire his immense talent to play and explain poker, I can't agree with the over the top way he is handling this entire issue, and I've told him this in private several times. I can't blame Betgo for feeling hassled.




Cliffs:

Thats a decent post Andres, I may be over the top. However, he is calling me a liar and a libeler. He repeats this many times. Nothing I said is a lie, and I take extreme offense to that, and it causes me to get pretty angry. Also, he refuses to admit that he lied in his coaching OP about his expertise in certain areas. Its fine that he lied. People lie on their resume all the time. However, its fine for me to point it out and warn the students he conned. Its not the worst sin in the world, but he is still a fraud.

You said that I refused a refund to a student and solicited a favorable review. That was a lie. You took skype logs out of context and I produced the full skype logs to prove you were lying.

I presented my qualifications correctly as I believed them. I am understated and could have marketted myself much more strongly.

Sir, with all due respect, the bolded part is wrong. Yes you have really good graphs in certain type of tournaments, but that doesn't make you good. You perfectly fit in the category of player Phil Galfond defines in this article. To be exact, this part :


The truth is that players like OG and 3S make money in the game they are used to playing. And as long as the game stays easy and the dynamic stays similar, they’ll continue to win because they happened upon a strategy that beats that particular game.
However, if players start to become more aggressive, or more passive, or tighter, or they start to check-raise more, etc. etc., OG and 3S will no longer be able to win, because they don’t have the mental tools to properly adjust. If they want to play in a heads-up game, or sixhanded game, or they want to move up or down in stakes, or play in a tournament, they’ll be screwed. All of these new games require adjustments, and making proper adjustments to different game situations and opponents requires the ability to reason well.

Where did I say that Betgo? Please quote me. You must be seeing things.

I not once said you refused a refund to a student. I did say you solicited a favorable review. But I am just telling you what your student told me. I can post that skype log on 2p2 if you want me to! It doesn't involve you and I promise you I wasn't lying. I can have others vouch.

You are an idiot. I'm not lying. I said to you many times that all I said was he paid for 2 and used one, and you did not refund him. I never once said you denied him a refund or he asked for one. I said he just simply didn't use it because it was 'rubbish'

You said the whole story was a lie. None of it was a lie. Also, I don't trust your skype log you posted on 2p2 as those can easily be manipulated/left out/copy pasted. I'd want a moderator to teamviewer it/see it exactly. You have proven to have questionable ethics and morals as in how you presented your qualifications, and continue to present them, so I just refuse to take you for your word.

I don't care though. I am not a liar though. I copy paste your posts and use math, logic, reason. You just wave your hands in the air like the hick you are, and say stop being mean to me! I have a stjohns math degree! blah blah blah, con artist. Your scheme sickens me. You make sure your students are stupid and prescreen them so they couldn't possibly out you for having no expertise in the areas you claim to have.

I mean, the fact you linked those videos and think they vindicate you is HILARIOUS. I like it how you keep posting though. The moderators will hopefully do the right thing and remove your coaching listing soon. Or maybe they will cover it up to keep getting their revenue stream and I'll have to take to alternate forms of media to make sure the truth about bet go remains easily searchable to the public.

Betgo, please quote me where I said you denied a student a refund. I simply said the facts. 1. Student paid for 2 lessons. 2. He only used one. 3. you did not issue him a refund.

All three things you confirmed true later. You are the only lying con artist in this thread. I am doing the community a justice by pointing out that they are getting swindled and can use there money much better elsewhere. I will be praised for my work here when this thread is finally wrapped up.

The whole student thing went like this:

We pick a new guy in our stable, 1-2 days after he sees one of my posts about Betgo and out of nowhere tells the story Munk posted here: He didn't take the 2nd class despite having paid for it, lesson was rubbish, etc,etc. What Munk posted what the exact transcription of what that person said. When things heated up, the student sent me more comments and part of a chat with Betgo. Munk posted it, and Betgo proved that information to be wrong. You could think Betgo edited the chat, but reality is that a minute after Betgo posted his version this horse blocked me on Skype and disappeared.

My theory is that he wanted to please his new backer by siding with him in an argument on 2+2, but reality backfired. **** happens

PS: If you're reading this, send me mah money, thanks a lot.