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Old 08-04-2012, 05:22 PM   #1
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Balls deep, Day 2 of the ME

Day 2 of the WSOP ME, 400/800/100a.

I had just been moved to the table less than 1 hour ago, nobody had busted yet or played a big pot and the table was significantly tougher than usual for the main. All stacks were deep (I might have been the short stack, if not def 2nd shortest). There were was no obvious fish at the table, almost all under 30, no raises >2.5x, no limps, standard amount of 3betting, etc. The 4 spots to my left were all <30, all 70bbs+. Also, the table was not due to break any time soon, possibly the rest of the day (2 more levels after 4/8).

Villain: a tourney reg, 25-29 years old, hasn't done anything worth mentioning or been overly active or passive, has about 70-80k. BTN has 200k+ and is a young tourney reg, got moved to the table <30 mins prior to the hand, and has splashed around a bit as you'd expect. My image: mid 20s reg, hadn't played many hands, came to the table with ~35k and have about that to start the hand.

Villain opens MP (UTG+3) to 16 or 1700, BTN flats, i call in the BB.

Flop Q 6 7

I check, villain bets ~3k, BTN with 200k+ flats, I flat.

Turn 7

I check and as soon as I do Villain asks to see my stack, I oblige (have ~30k), he bets 9100, BTN snappy snap folds, back to me.

Obviously my range is super capped.. and my exact hand should be fairly obv also.

Am I wrong for being extremely suspicious of villain betting this turn with BTN behind him? Especially given that the natural inclinations of tourney regulars these days in tough spots is so heavily defaulted to pot control.
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Old 08-04-2012, 05:28 PM   #2
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Re: Balls deep, Day 2 of the ME

seems like big brick to me and i see no reason why he wouldn't continue to bet for value or barrel a decent draw
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Old 08-04-2012, 05:30 PM   #3
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Re: Balls deep, Day 2 of the ME

the 2nd card pairing in a single raised pot 3 ways is a brick? i mean it's no 5 but i don't think it's a brick.
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Old 08-04-2012, 06:16 PM   #4
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Re: Balls deep, Day 2 of the ME

well how many 7's are in your range? you are prob raising sets and 2p on the flop, you would have to overcall the flop for about 10% of your stack with just 7x

button could obv have something weird but its a small part of his range compared to every other pair, oesd and fd that is certainly in thee
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Old 08-05-2012, 12:32 PM   #5
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Re: Balls deep, Day 2 of the ME

I don't think people are pot controlling as much as they used to and I think average tourney regs that have nothing to distinguish them are pretty unlikely to be barreling this card on a 3-way turn, on average. The fact that he asked to see YOUR stack on THIS turn leads me to believe he's not especially good.
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Old 08-05-2012, 01:11 PM   #6
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Re: Balls deep, Day 2 of the ME

He is not bluffing often
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:40 AM   #7
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Re: Balls deep, Day 2 of the ME

"Obviously my range is super capped.. and my exact hand should be fairly obv also."

How is your exact hand fairly obvious?...you flatted from the BB and took a flop 3 handed...
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I guess you have kq, tough spot. Can def find a fold idk how often hes bluffing here
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Old 08-08-2012, 03:03 PM   #9
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Re: Balls deep, Day 2 of the ME

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I guess you have kq, tough spot. Can def find a fold idk how often hes bluffing here
If you have KQ, I hate the flat on the flop here 3 handed. I think if you pop it to 9k you can then almost eliminate the 7 from his range if he calls...
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:39 AM   #10
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Re: Balls deep, Day 2 of the ME

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"Obviously my range is super capped.. and my exact hand should be fairly obv also."

How is your exact hand fairly obvious?...you flatted from the BB and took a flop 3 handed...
I would guess he has either KQ or (less likely) QJ. I found this description a little odd, as well, and was tempted to simply ask what his hand was. Seems like turn is a fold to me... doubt villain is barreling worse just to put crazy pressure on OP unless he has shown a tendency to do that sort of thing.

Edited to say that I guess he could be barreling big draws, which, even with the board pair, wouldn't be that unusual... but I still feel like his range is pretty weighted towards value and would likely just fold turn.

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Old 08-09-2012, 02:32 AM   #11
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Re: Balls deep, Day 2 of the ME

Seems silly to me to label this as balls deep explain like 3/4 of the hand and then not tell us results or the hand that he was holding..... However given the action I'd have to say both qj and qk are a fold given opponents line looks relatively strong and I actually dont expect them to be barrelling naked flush draw to often without history or specific reads.... results? what did you have and what was your move?
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Re: Balls deep, Day 2 of the ME

think they will barrel with all straight and flush draws most of the time if not all depending on how they perceived both of your calls on flop as well as kq +, what would be your guys action here with exactly A. qj B. qk C. Qd 10d when facing 9,100 bet on turn??
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:09 PM   #13
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Re: Balls deep, Day 2 of the ME

i guess this hand wasn't as interesting as i tried to make it.. yeah i had Qx and folded. looks like his cheeky response when i tried to ask if he had anything a few minutes later was successful in messing with my head.

thanks for the responses anyway.
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Re: Balls deep, Day 2 of the ME

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"Obviously my range is super capped.. and my exact hand should be fairly obv also."

How is your exact hand fairly obvious?...you flatted from the BB and took a flop 3 handed...
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Pretty funny. Why is your hand so capped? You cant have, say 89s or a JTdd?

Anyway,really tough spot. Fold I guess.
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