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Old 07-18-2012, 12:28 AM   #61
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Re: Awkward/Absurd WSOP ME Spot OOP.

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seems like a good villain to drop the entire hammer for 23k and let him snap his big ace

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I for one love that. Sorry for flaming I earlier in the thread mr harris I actually respect u a ton fwiw
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Old 07-18-2012, 03:22 AM   #62
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Re: Awkward/Absurd WSOP ME Spot OOP.

Now calling any time I berate someone or someone gets berated and then does retarded things as a result of their tilting/getting angry getting stealthmunked.
Actually, I #stealthmunked a guy just a couple days ago. He proceeded to spite call my 10bb shove with 72o. Berating works! Just gotta pick your spots, as munk pointed out. It's like a game within a game. And it's more fun too!
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:13 AM   #63
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Re: Awkward/Absurd WSOP ME Spot OOP.

In a normal tournament with 1.5psb's left I just jam flop and hope he hero folds the best hand a lot and we have enough equity vs his range regardless. In the main event where people are going to make massive punt after massive punt, I opt to check and hope to get free cards or check call a small bet to medium sized bet (and villains like this are rarely aware of pot size so we likely will get a very favorable bet size). I like your pf sizing fwiw. I think betting 1/5th pot accomplishes nothing really except setting up a bluff vs a villain we dont want to try bluffing on future streets.
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:39 PM   #64
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Re: Awkward/Absurd WSOP ME Spot OOP.

Haven't read any responses itt so sorry if some of this is repetitive:


1. Talking at the table is absurdly effective if you're doing it right. I think berating is rarely right though (even when it feels so good), because it generally makes people play more aggressively, which is a bad thing. If the guy is playing this bad, you might intimidate him into playing better, which you don't really want to do.

Also, telling them that they're playing bad is usually not as good as having a good time at the table, joking with other players and lightheartedly getting everyone in on the gig to make fun of them. This humiliates them and makes them not want to be there and sort of makes them want to bust. You want to make fun of him and make it seem like other people are laughing at him, but you don't want to turn it into an ego battle between you and him because that will make him puff out his chest and try to "get" you.

I had a similar douchebaggy type of guy (actually wouldn't be totally shocked if it was the same player) berating people at my 2.5k table. First hand I sit down, I open TT utg, he flats bt, it comes Q97, I check/call, turn is a like a 6 or something, check/check, river is J, I check he bets like 1/3 pot and I instantly rip it for like 1.6x pot and he tank folds and I show the TT and he instantly rage tilts and starts berating me and I just smile and then ignore him and talk to some of the other guys at the table that are irritated by him and say stuff like, "bet I wouldn't have been able to bluff you there, right?" or "How come this guy keeps giving you advice but making bad folds?" etc. Other people have a couple chuckles at his expense over the next couple of hands and he just sits there silently raging.

Next orbit I defend my bb with K5hh, it comes 934 one heart, I check/call a small bet turn K, I check he bets small again and I just rip it for infinite chips and he snaps with A9 and busts. I strongly suspect that he knew he was beat but was so tilted and humiliated that he wanted to bust, so he just called it off knowing that he'd have a "bad beat" story to tell his friends after busting.

Table chatter after the hand was basically, "oh man I KNEW you had it there I was really hoping that guy would call, he was so rude to everyone." Also, I became the 'hero' of the table after busting the guy who was berating everyone, and so a bunch of the older players played really soft against me after that, which is another positive of being "the guy" that takes on the ******* at the table. This sounds like it was the same case for you, with you being friendly to the zynga guy etc.


2. I'd play ever hand of the KJJA hand the exact same way, fwiw. Doubt he's folding the K2 to you after the A comes and allows him to chop with KQ, KT etc, downbetting is good, barreling the ace is good, and giving up river is good. Overbetting river is good if you're certain he doesn't have enough heart to ever call with a K and/or might sometimes hero fold a J, but from your description I'd prefer to just give up and keep raping him in other spots, if you overbet and are wrong, it's bad news.


3. Raising Q63ss is obviously a perfect spot and great, like it a lot.


4. With regard to the hand in question it kinda sucks because YOU HAZ AK and you want to get this guy, but like you say, this particular flavor of retard probably isn't gonna rip it over your 3bet.

I kinda dont like this size becuase you have 1.5 psb behind and it's gonna be awkward. I feel like you can make it like 3.2k and he will flat a lot and you can kinda downbet/giveup if raised on these types of boards.

The whole point of AK is to try to stack weaker kings and aces, and it really feels like you can still get all his chips if you both hit an ace when you 3b to 3.2k and still maintain flexibility when you miss, so I feel like that's the better option. Given his flat with K2, I'd imagine hes gonna flat with a lot of kings and aces in this spot, and you can gobble a lot of chips when you hit your mutual card. You could also make it a bit bigger so that you have roughly a PSB behind after he calls, and then just rip lots of flops. I feel like leaving yourself with 1.5 psb is definitely the most awkward sizing, although that doesn't mean it's the worst.

Also, what did you start the hand with? like 20k? You could just rip it for 70bbs and watch him call with a "big ace." Idiots like this always talk themselves into making the wrong decision, I wouldn't be surprised to see him decide you have TT and call with AQ or AJ or something like that. Worst case scenario, you take down a small pot from the SB and get to keep playing the main event at a table full of idiots.
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Old 08-05-2012, 02:40 PM   #65
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Re: Awkward/Absurd WSOP ME Spot OOP.

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Lol, the ace turn is the best card in the deck to barrel, at the time I didn't know the guy was a huge punter incapable of folding anything. You guys really all suck at poker. You can check back flop if you want some %. The 3rd barrel is debatable. But not betting when the ace turn comes off is just lololol. I didn't know at the time the guy was a straight up huge moron trying to give all his chips to me. Also it builds pot so if I hit my flush on the river get paid off bigger.

you only bet the turn though to bet the river, people arent folding a K very often ott these days vs internet kids(esp not described villain) but theyll fold to the 3rd heaaps cause they raise a set of trips on the flop or turn, doubling but not tripling vs this guy sucks alot of bottom
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Old 08-05-2012, 03:34 PM   #66
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Re: Awkward/Absurd WSOP ME Spot OOP.

One of the more interesting things about life/poker is how the two biggest douchebags always seem to find a way to run into one another. You see this at bars, poker tables, etc.

The OP is basically pointing his own flaws out in the other person who is slightly less of a douchebag than he is. They both think that they know everything (when they both seem to be rather ignorant), are both highly narcissistic (no shortage of this personality disorder in poker), both are quick to berate, and both are highly judgmental. You see guys like the OP and his twin constantly in poker, and it is in these cases when it is nice to have an extra headset available to drown out the penis measuring immaturity.
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Old 08-05-2012, 04:11 PM   #67
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Re: Awkward/Absurd WSOP ME Spot OOP.

So let me get this straight, Originalpenis knocked out by Detroitpenis on day two?
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