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Old 07-09-2012, 05:59 AM   #16
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I would have flatted the AK from the bb. Your implied odds are increased greatly if you hit the flop. The raise looks like a JJ,KK hand. Now you are locked into a cbet on any board regardless.

I realize this is the 2012 main event, but there are still players whose holy grail is 9 10 J Q drawing hands and these guys kinda fit that profile, so what to do with this flop...?

Insta-shove or insta-check, leaning towards the check and hoping to improve somehow. I think any drawing hand may go along for another card. Any made hand wont. I think any sized bets is just running the wrong way to the goal line.

Enjoyed the running commentary for sure.
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:05 AM   #17
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Re: Awkward/Absurd WSOP ME Spot OOP.

Id prob go either bigger or smaller on the 3bet with these stack sizes
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:07 AM   #18
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wug sizing charder? leave PSB on flop so 6900?

amazing the advice ITT, flat pre, locked into cbet on any board regardless? wtf? 9TQr is one of worst boards possible for me. Just because you are unlucky and get a board that smacks the idiots range doesn't mean your locked into betting.
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:10 AM   #19
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Re: Awkward/Absurd WSOP ME Spot OOP.

you come across so badly in op.

just find top pair and value bet imo. doubling the kkja seems really bad
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:18 AM   #20
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Lol, the ace turn is the best card in the deck to barrel, at the time I didn't know the guy was a huge punter incapable of folding anything. You guys really all suck at poker. You can check back flop if you want some %. The 3rd barrel is debatable. But not betting when the ace turn comes off is just lololol. I didn't know at the time the guy was a straight up huge moron trying to give all his chips to me. Also it builds pot so if I hit my flush on the river get paid off bigger.
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Old 07-09-2012, 07:39 AM   #21
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Re: Awkward/Absurd WSOP ME Spot OOP.

In live poker, talking is a viable tool in order to maximize your winrate. However, you can achieve what you want to achieve without actually being disrespectful to people, and therefor in a classier manner.
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Old 07-09-2012, 08:00 AM   #22
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Lol, the ace turn is the best card in the deck to barrel, at the time I didn't know the guy was a huge punter incapable of folding anything. You guys really all suck at poker. You can check back flop if you want some %. The 3rd barrel is debatable. But not betting when the ace turn comes off is just lololol. I didn't know at the time the guy was a straight up huge moron trying to give all his chips to me. Also it builds pot so if I hit my flush on the river get paid off bigger.

post is basically bull **** but cba to help/explain thought processes to somebody who comes across as a know it all/douche.

gl on day 2
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Old 07-09-2012, 08:15 AM   #23
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amazing the advice ITT, flat pre, locked into cbet on any board regardless? wtf?
So you are berating us too?
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:34 AM   #24
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Re: Awkward/Absurd WSOP ME Spot OOP.

how can u not berate betgo

i like how everyone is super mad that one of the tournament players in the world is giving much more free content than everybody else here

as to the hand: i dont hate flatting pre as the stacksizes are so awkard
you sayed he is stabby so u can easily checkraise kxx/axx boards and still get a lot of money in and if u 3bet small and dont hit u have to check/fold so many boards because he doesnt fold
as to 3betting big, i thnik u either have to make it big enough so u can jam like any flop or dont do it all because u set yourself up for awekardness on sooooo many boards
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Old 07-09-2012, 10:59 AM   #25
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I'd love to see people tell me berating/demeaning/talking **** to players isn't +EV. You just have to pick the stereotypical types of players to do it too so they take it personally and then spite donate to you like this guy.
First off, this technique is not for everyone. You have to be a natural born a-hole to pull this off, and make it convincing. It's just too difficult to fake it. Civilized people who make it a practice to treat others and the game with respect will never get away with it.

Second, berating opponents in not and has never been part of live poker, despite what people new to the genre might think. Live poker is not anonymous... cyber-bullies may need to back it up when they try it in real life..

On top of that, it is most definitely against the rules..

45. Rio prohibits the use of obscene or foul language in any public area of the casino at any time. Any Participant who uses such language or makes a foul, profane, obscene or vulgar statement, or speaks abusively or in an intimidating manner to another Participant, a dealer or a Tournament staff member, will be penalized. These penalties will be levied based on Rules 39, 102 and 103.
46. Any Participant who taunts another Participant through theatrics or gestures or engages in any form of inappropriate behavior intended to disrupt other players in the tournament will be subject to penalty in accordance with Rules 39, 102, and 103.
47. Participant or staff abuse will not be tolerated. A Participant will incur a penalty up to and including disqualification...
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:15 AM   #26
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Re: Awkward/Absurd WSOP ME Spot OOP.

great thread

stealthmunk is a hero

joe schmoe is also a hero

pretty lol to say calling someone an "idiot" is so terrible. its fine. if you say "I hope your family all get cancer and dies in a freak accident" is not really ok...

def no 3rd barrel w 89s IMO
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:25 AM   #27
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great thread

stealthmunk is a hero

joe schmoe is also a hero

pretty lol to say calling someone an "idiot" is so terrible. its fine. if you say "I hope your family all get cancer and dies in a freak accident" is not really ok...

def no 3rd barrel w 89s IMO
And you are ... the typical floor-person? Your opinion matters?
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:53 PM   #28
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Re: Awkward/Absurd WSOP ME Spot OOP.

As a stealthmunk rant thread delivers and is a solid B+ / A-.

I'd just cbet reallllllllly tiny, he probably doesn't fold a pair anyway so doesn't matter what we bet, and probably folds air or like 22 regardless of what we bet. This way we'll also get a turn. If I had a vibe he checks back nothing but good hits I'd obviously check / give up but this sounds like the type of situation where if we check he'll probably bet something with all kinds of silly hands so it's better to make a small bet to try to take it down / to see a cheap turn. If we check I think anything but check-folding is awful unless he bets like 1/10 pot. Against described player you could also probably say "come on baby I'm ready!" and make a gesture towards the rest of your chips upon betting to make sure he plays face up.

I would check-fold the flop versus virtually any other player but this guy.

I don't see an issue with the 3bet size, I think in an online type of scenario or against better players it sucks because it sets up really tough flop spots whereas a bigger or smaller ones would make things easier. However in this case you said he'd played fit or fold post so this way we kinda maximize value vs their let's see a flop uh oh i missed i fold range which is most of the time.

Barreling in the other hand sounds like a bad idea.


Personally I think berating anyone live is awful, but for entertainment value I really hope you make a televised ft in the future (if anyone has cool past youtube munk links feel free to post).

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Old 07-09-2012, 02:13 PM   #29
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I hope you get beat up in a dark alley way OP. LOL @ not being able to win without such scummy tactics.
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Old 07-09-2012, 02:22 PM   #30
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wug sizing charder? leave PSB on flop so 6900?

amazing the advice ITT, flat pre, locked into cbet on any board regardless? wtf? 9TQr is one of worst boards possible for me. Just because you are unlucky and get a board that smacks the idiots range doesn't mean your locked into betting.
Well Mr. Steve, you got yourself into this Queen Nine Ten rainbow flop mess oop with a ridiculous impulsive theatrical preflop raise, not anybody in this forum.

You were NOT unlucky this hand. You WOULD have been lucky to connect. Thread probably needs to get thrown in the junk pile over at "bad beats".

Gotta go big guy, gl.
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