We are the two big stacks at the table and villian covers me.

Blinds 800/1600. Ante 200.

I have 80k (50bb effective) and villian has around 90k. 90 players left and 53 make the money.

Really odd dynamic with him. We have been betting three betting and four betting each other relentlessly and are the two big stacks at the table. He is a young Scandinavian guy. He sees me probably the same as I see him. He is very capable and a nightmare to have at the table especially on my direct left. Currently we are about even in terms of who has the upper hand. Not many hands have been shown down.

He is on the button and im cutoff 6 handed. Blinds 800/1600 ante 200.

I open to 3500, he 3 bets from button to 8500 folds around and I flat. I have AJdd.

Flop comes A 2 6 one diamond. I check - he bets 7.5k, I call. Turn is 8 and now there is no flush possible.

He bets 18k, me?

Thoughts appreciated on entire hand to this point and what to do now.

since folding is out of question given your line and there is no point to raise, you have to click the middle one.

Of the "not many hands shown down" we're they moStly weak holding or nah? This would impact my desicion of this hand greatly.

makes sense
you can fold A7s, A9s, wheel suited aces and AT but guess still should call this one and its not huge part of the range given you 4bet % of them.

Yet folding AT- still might be exploitable.

The only significant hand shown down that I remember was a lot earlier. I raised button, him three betting from small blind and me calling. We saw a J J 4 flop, it checked through. 7 turn - I bet half pot, he called. Another seven on the river, I shoved. He tank called and I won with A 7.

What do people think of 4-bet folding pre to this type of villian and this dynamic?

Did his betsize on the flop told you anything? It's like half pot but was that common in 3bet pots? You said there was a lot of 3 and 4 betting but did you guys saw any flops after that?

I would call turn and hope for c/c at riv.

To answer the other question, with this villan an these dynamics I would not play 4bet/fold any more. Too expensive imo

7,500/20600 is like half pot, yea. sit back, relax and unpin your keyboard.

You must run really good if this spot is a tough decision for you

4b/folding AJo is fine imo. Suited I call 100% of the time.

AP I call ott and reev but s..tty spot to be in, interested to see what othera will say

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I don't recall saying he bet half pot?

Obviously you have a lot more experience then me and if I was at your level, I probably wouldn't have to post this hand to get feedback.

For me it sucked because of the overall situation and not necessarily this hand. I felt really comfortable against all the other players and we were both probably among the top 10 chip stacks remaining. The last 6max 5k I played in, in Australia I came 16th in a tough field and was again wanting to go deep here.

From the responses it seems like everyone is saying call is the right play. I'm guessing that's your opinion too?

The reason I like 4bet/fold pre is that I don't think that the stickiest of sickos are 5bet bluffing much against another big stack when they have position and are at a table they feel good about.

Calling is just so clearly the best play
Youre so high up in your range

And preflop its just the wrong hand to 4bet with as it plays so well by calling

Only problem is, that if we miss the River we are going to check, and he will jam a huge part of his range, maybe even AT (he may think for value), and do you really like to call off your Tournament life with Top pair ok Kicker?

Correct. I forgot to count in the OP's 5k flat pre. I am so sorry hazelbazel. This will not happen again I promise.

1/2 or 1/3 pot makes no difference, the question still stands.

True. This will happen frequently. If we call turn can/should we c/f on a riv jam?

Wait arent we calling to induce that river jam here?

His 3 bet range is wide and hes trying barreling you of ur calling range on a dry board. He is aware of C ev at that point and uses max presure in posicion imo. I think its played fine. I c/c turn and river ainec.

I think that a vbet with A10 on his side is way too thin, can even call it bad. Turning the hand into a bluff is another story but still.. meh..

All in all a very tough spot if shoved otr as said but u can't expect long term success in mtt's if u are constantly run over. In any case I have not played that high and am unsure what I would do in OP's shoes. Maybe end up finding a fold

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Success in MTT is not necessarily determined by how often you do or do not get run over. It is about picking your spots and making correct decision depending on Villain’s playing style and image.
Avoiding a meltdown in a tough spot is as important as extracting MAX value when you got it…

since the dynamics are so much 3 and or 4 betting. By you not 4betting he's more likely not to put you on aj+. He def has nut hands in his value range though. I like the 4b pre oop. However, in this spot now I would say it's a hero call mode if you call turn what do you do on river if he jams. You essentially have one pair you beat his weaker ax hands, but are value owned by many two pair hands and sets. In the dark like this I probably call turn with the intention of reevaluating the call on river. Gross spot because he could easily shove river and you're under repping by just flatting w aj there is no way he has you on aj when he makes the double barrel so... The other issue is if he's going for pure value here once you call turn he can easily put you on a hand that is strong enough to call a river shove. So if he's got value town you're in trouble and only in hero bluff catching mode on river. I say call turn reevalv river and use the force to hero call if he jams. tough spot.

Value 4bet yo

4bet to 19k preflop and fold to a 5bet jam, if he clicks it back to 29.500 then it becomes interesting; if he flats, bet 15k on the flop and check the turn to let him spew.