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Old 05-26-2012, 05:46 PM   #31
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Re: Advice needed for 1st live, high-stakes tourney

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I don't think any of my posts were off topic. But it looks like this is going nowhere, so I'll leave it alone.
It looked to me like you wanted to discuss the intricacies of particular strategies. Maybe we would arrive at some superior way to satisfy her request. But I didn't want to go there in light of the OP's stated preferences.

"...Just a little disclaimer - not really familiar with all of the lingo: plain English, please..

It wouldn't be easy to have such a discussion while keeping in mind the OP is trying to follow along.

However, I think you could do it alone.

You could formulate an effective, early-level donkament strategy that would help her conserve chips and result in a healthy stack. And you could use simple, easy to understand language, avoiding terms like +cEV (positive chip expected value) which concept and application is probably completely unintelligible to her.
Now's your opportunity. Go for it.
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Old 05-26-2012, 06:36 PM   #32
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I understand what youre saying. Im simply taking the position that it is going to be more beneficial long term for OP to consider poker in a dynamic way not a static way. I'm not offering practical advice(ex play tight before antes), I am proposing a framework to build upon. My framework can amount to much, and I think yours while practical is limiting. Again if its the only MTT that OP is going to play then by all means take the practical advice only.
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Old 05-26-2012, 07:01 PM   #33
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Re: Advice needed for 1st live, high-stakes tourney

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I understand what youre saying. Im simply taking the position that it is going to be more beneficial long term for OP to consider poker in a dynamic way not a static way. I'm not offering practical advice(ex play tight before antes), I am proposing a framework to build upon. My framework can amount to much, and I think yours while practical is limiting. Again if its the only MTT that OP is going to play then by all means take the practical advice only.
I gathered that's the way you feel, and I totally agree that it would be more beneficial long term.

Here's a thought. Maybe she's expert at handling a medium stack. Once it's big enough, she's in her element and punishes everyone around her.
Getting from the starting stack to that middle stack is where her game is lacking.

Imagine you have a prop bet with someone and you will win double first place money if you just manage to double your starting stack. It doesn't matter how early or late you do it, but the sooner the better because you're pretty hungry and would like to go eat.

How would you play it?

Edit... and though you might think my tight-play suggestion is a fair possibility, there's gotta be some strategic moves to add to it.. some simple guidelines that will enhance it and make it much better.

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Old 05-26-2012, 07:02 PM   #34
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Re: Advice needed for 1st live, high-stakes tourney

I am wondering if anyone has any tips for me for playing in a tournament of this size/scope? I've noticed a flaw in my tournament game that leads to me being short-stacked when the blinds start to get high

That may be a flaw or it may just be because of the structure and your style. The daily cheaper tourneys usually start with a shorter stack, skip some levels, and have a short time frame between blind raises.
. So my advice is to check out the structure before making any adjustments to your game. Best of luck
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Old 05-26-2012, 07:28 PM   #35
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I'm done with it. Gl OP.
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Old 05-26-2012, 07:58 PM   #36
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Re: Advice needed for 1st live, high-stakes tourney

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I'm done with it. Gl OP.
Can't say I blame you. If we shorten the game to perhaps 100 or 200 hands, all that theory and strategy stuff which people have been studying, developing and perfecting for decades, and has evolved into the proper way to play the modern game of holdem pretty much goes out the window.
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Re: Advice needed for 1st live, high-stakes tourney

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Can't say I blame you. If we shorten the game to perhaps 100 or 200 hands, all that theory and strategy stuff which people have been studying, developing and perfecting for decades, and has evolved into the proper way to play the modern game of holdem pretty much goes out the window.
Now I'm positive that you're a gimmick account.
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Old 05-26-2012, 08:52 PM   #38
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Old 05-27-2012, 03:07 AM   #39
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Re: Advice needed for 1st live, high-stakes tourney

Here's my best attempt at some usable advice:

Despite the $1K buy-in the WSOP Ladies Event is not known for being an especially strong tournament. The WSOP brings in big fields and lots of recreational players take their biggest shot of the year in one of the events... for many recreational female players, this shot is taken at the Ladies Event. Also, lots of rich guys buy their girlfriend, wife, or both into the event. So, don't be intimidated, and don't feel like everybody must be really advanced. Just relax and play your game.

As far as a basic strategy for the event, all I can really say (without actually knowing you and how you normally play in any depth) is that you need to be aggressive. There are times in poker when passive lines are optimal and, as has been touched upon in this thread, any truly good poker strategy is actually more of a holistic framework that you utilize to know when to be aggressive, when to be passive, when to re-ship, when to check-fold, etc., etc., etc. However, considering that you are asking for advice for one big tournament... being aggressive will give you a chance to actually have a big cash or win if you run good. Being tight-passive as a basic strategy will be absolutely futile, so if you "need" a basic strategy, make it one of aggression.

Stop yourself from limping or flatting raises and 3-bets, and look to play primarily a raise-or-fold style. Sure, it's not the most nuanced thing to do, and if you were asking for long-term advice on how to develop your game over time and become a really good player, you obviously wouldn't just adopt an "aggressive" strategy. But as a one-time quick-fix strategy for a tourney with a bigger buy-in then you are used to, aggression is almost surely the best way to go.
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Old 05-27-2012, 04:03 AM   #40
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Re: Advice needed for 1st live, high-stakes tourney

I don't have a vagina, so i have never played in this tournament, but im pretty sure the level is quite bad.
When you know that 1k5 wsop appears to be quite soft, a ladies event will even be weaker, so if you're a decent player im sure you will have an edge on 80+ or even 90% of your opponents.

Just learn to play short stack because i guess it's a crapshoot.
I don't know if players like Liv Boeree, Xuan Liu or Leo Margets play these events but anyway most of the time you will rarely see lots of females better than Claire Renaut (Fabrice Soulier's wife) and im pretty sure many are beginners (or almost beginners so i guess you will be able to exploit these limp/fold fans )

And yeah as the poster before me said it, be agressive, you will face i guess lots of "i play my cards and i want to see boards" players that bet when they have it and check fold the rest of the time, so just barrel them, isolate them in position if they limp and give them credit when you encounter lot of resistance.
Except if they are well known females players (and therefore good players who learnt a lot with their male poker buddies) don't expect to get runned over, and if someone 3bets you for the 3rd time in 2 orbits, she most likely has it
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Old 05-27-2012, 04:18 AM   #41
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Re: Advice needed for 1st live, high-stakes tourney

I like Bruegel the Elder's advice and might follow it myself in a couple days.

I'mAFrenchDonkey... those top females do play this event.. at least I recall a bunch of them in it last year since it didn't conflict with the bigger events (might be mistaken.. been a year) but even so the field can't be what anyone would call strong.
I think the men who played last year got a pretty bad treatment considering something like 5 (?) of the 6 (?) men were playing for charities, but not a lot of women were aware of it.

CBorders,, you are mistaken. That's all I'll say on the subject.
However, I did some studying and worked out the pot odds vs card odds in that WPT 25K 3-way hand and I'd like your opinion on my calculations and conclusions. If you give the OK, I will post it in that thread. If not, fine. Won't be back there again.
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:45 PM   #42
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Re: Advice needed for 1st live, high-stakes tourney

I was so glad to see all of the responses! Going to try to respond to some of the questions.

Yes, I was posting specifically for advice regarding this particular tournament, but of course I would like to improve my overall game as well. As for my leak (if I'm even understanding the term correctly) I think it is that I am way too tight pre-flop. This serves me decently in terms of grinding it out in a cash game but not at all in a tournament setting where the blinds are going up. So, even though I outlast usually 75% of the field, I am usually short-stacked and at the mercy of shoving my little stack in and praying I get lucky.

(Sorry, I don't know how to quote someone). Joeschmoe, you mentioned something about needing help getting from a starting stack to a larger one and then I am more comfortable. Yes, I would say that's definitely on point.

I have been told more than once that this tournament is "soft" and that is also my experience with the much smaller ladies only tournaments I've played locally. I play a much different game than most ladies I've played with, especially post-flop, and I hope that will serve me well. I just feel like I need to have the chips to play my best. I want to be able to continuation bet, act on my reads when I think people are stealing from me, pay to draw when the odds are correct to do so. Being constantly short-stacked makes that very difficult. Because I only play live, I don't have any statistics to share, but my problem definitely is NOT that I play too many hands. Does any of this make sense?

I know I am probably worrying too much. It's just that I want to do my best or maybe even better than my best I have a few people staking me who I guess have more confidence in my abilities than I do and I don't want to let them down. And yes, I really want the experience. Even more, I want to cash!

Thanks, all. I really appreciate it and enjoy the debate.
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Old 05-28-2012, 12:25 AM   #43
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Re: Advice needed for 1st live, high-stakes tourney

Nice to see your response.
If you posted one or two detailed examples of your preflop play, and perhaps how many hands you normally play out of 100, someone might be able to confirm your suspicion that it actually is too tight.

The "quote" button is in the lower right hand corner of every message. Pressing that quotes the entire message, but you can delete parts of it, as long as you leave the ['s and ]'s and the word "quote" at it's ends. I dunno if there's a "practice" forum in this joint.. should be.

That tournament may be generally soft, but it's long and treacherous. Some degree of patience is advised.. A soft field includes a lot of calling stations (people who simply won't fold because they think you're bluffing or want to see all the cards) and someone might offer a strategy to combat them.
That said, the extra information you already provided may help someone customize a few tips that will fit your play.

I'm already packing and have no more time to spare since i left too many things to the last minute. If I can find some free wifi (Nowhere in the Rio as of 3 weeks ago but they were talking about providing it for the WSOP) I might pop in and see how this thread is progressing.
Have fun.
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:17 PM   #44
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Re: Advice needed for 1st live, high-stakes tourney

I am bumping this thread up because my trip and this tournament are quickly approaching. Since then, I've been reading all of the forums a ton, reading some books, and playing as much as I can.

I am not sure if I mentioned this, but I play in a weekly tournament (that I also run). $20 buy-in, blinds only (no antes, even in the late stages). A lot of the people playing there have never played in a real casino or poker room. By and large, THEY DO NOT FOLD. I try my best to play very tight/aggressive. Blind stealing does not work. Bluffs on the flop or the turn rarely work. My approach is just to make them pay when I make a hand & get out cheap when I don't. However, this seems too tied to the cards for me and if I'm not catching hands, I become short-stacked in comparison with the blinds.

Now, these are the same people I play with every week, with few exceptions. I did go play in a $125 buy in tournament last week and won it. I found that the way people who don't know me respond to me and my playing is much, much different than I encounter at my local tourny.

I guess I'm saying I would like my success in this big tournament to be based on skill, not luck of the cards. So what to do?

I have been worrying that the larger buyin = bigger investment = more skillfull players, but I'm realizing that might not be the case.

I just want to go into it with as much good information and confidence as I can. And I really do enjoy learning from people and hearing different points of view, so that's why I'm posting again. Sorry if it's a bit rambling. I posted in the That's What She Said board & somehow killed that thread. Hmm lol

Anyway, thanks all

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Old 06-13-2012, 03:59 PM   #45
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Re: Advice needed for 1st live, high-stakes tourney

Use your gender as your advantage as most females generally dont 3b/4bet light imo. I'd really widen your 3bet range post-ante, and make your 4bet/shove range really WIDE as you will get a lot of folds from people over-generalizing you in this field.

Cliffs:
3bet range: wider than usual
4bet range: wider than 3bet range
5bet range: Go crazy, and shove ATC here.
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