Reads are pretty important, I would definately bet river if I thought he was fishy, and I would probably have this read if he was capable of peeling the flop with ducks.
The other guy had 22, i think he never calls a value bet on the river, i donīt bet on the river, because if he shoves i have to fold my AA , i prefer check call a little bet ,
im not pretty sure about my check on the turn was a good move.
The other guy had 22, i think he never calls a value bet on the river, i donīt bet on the river, because if he shoves i have to fold my AA , i prefer check call a little bet ,
im not pretty sure about my check on the turn was a good move.
there is no doubt you played the hand poorly. i just don't think you played every street wrong.
focus on 100k's Gallen, leave us squids to worry about hugely missed value AA's played online
No, please don't.
As for the hand, to pick your brain a little GB, what is wrong with pre and flop?? I know you generally advocate larger flop sizing with value hands, so I'm thinking that is what you meant on flop.
You have 47.5 bbs, and that matters a lot for your sizing pre. When you make it this size, he will rarely 4bet/fold like he might if you had 58bbs, and he will rarely 4bet jam like he might if you had 38bbs, so you're just going to get flatted a lot and playing AA oop on these stack sizes against a flatted 3bet really sucks.
What changes if you make it 17.7k or 18k instead of 13.7k?
1. You will get flatted less frequently by hands like 67s, 44-88, JTs, and his continuing range will be narrower and stronger.
2. Folding out these hands is a GOOD THING for you. You don't want to play AA oop with this PSR against those hands, even a decent player can play really well against you and make your life hell.
3. Since his flatting range becomes stronger, you can valuebet much more confidently knowing that he's gonna have or make top pair/overpair much more frequently and it's going to be a lot easier to play against a narrower range.
4. Given that he can flat that bet size less, and there are more chips in the pot, some opponents might choose to 4bet bluff more frequently. Many opponents will have something like QJs or 88 here, and will flat a 13.6k 3bet but jam or fold versus a 17.5k 3bet, and I'd much rather have someone jam or fold versus my aces than have them flat and try to play a guessing game.
As played, with this board texture, I think 23.7k / jam turn for ~pot is better than betting less than half pot for a lot of reasons, but there are some exceptions / caveats to that and I also am less inclined to really talk about a lot of that.
As played on turn, just bet the f turn, but idk you've pretty much hung yourself with pre and flop and now you have no idea what this guy has, his range is super tricky and he is super hard to play against and you have 1.5 psb which kind of sucks because you're frequently gonna lose all your chips if you've allowed him to make a good hand, and win much less when he has a weaker value hand.
As played on river, check/call, bet big/fold, bet small/fold, bet big/call, bet small/call, overbet jam are all options that you could take against different opponents in different situations, but it's so highly dependent on who you are, who they are, how they'll interpret the way you played this hand, etc.
Also, the larger your edge is, imo the more important it is to play these types of hands big and fast.
I feel like 90% of HSMTT hands are "zomg I have a good hand so I FPSd it and now I am underrepped and have no idea wtf to do"
There are some circumstances where small 3bets / small cbets / checking turn / whatever is the perfect thing to do, but unless you really know what you're doing and why you are doing it, I think most people would just benefit from playing these types of hands hard and fast and moving along
You have 47.5 bbs, and that matters a lot for your sizing pre. When you make it this size, he will rarely 4bet/fold like he might if you had 58bbs, and he will rarely 4bet jam like he might if you had 38bbs, so you're just going to get flatted a lot and playing AA oop on these stack sizes against a flatted 3bet really sucks.
What changes if you make it 17.7k or 18k instead of 13.7k?
1. You will get flatted less frequently by hands like 67s, 44-88, JTs, and his continuing range will be narrower and stronger.
2. Folding out these hands is a GOOD THING for you. You don't want to play AA oop with this PSR against those hands, even a decent player can play really well against you and make your life hell.
3. Since his flatting range becomes stronger, you can valuebet much more confidently knowing that he's gonna have or make top pair/overpair much more frequently and it's going to be a lot easier to play against a narrower range.
4. Given that he can flat that bet size less, and there are more chips in the pot, some opponents might choose to 4bet bluff more frequently. Many opponents will have something like QJs or 88 here, and will flat a 13.6k 3bet but jam or fold versus a 17.5k 3bet, and I'd much rather have someone jam or fold versus my aces than have them flat and try to play a guessing game.
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