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Old 08-03-2012, 08:19 AM   #16
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Re: 98s bb at FT

level? (busto in a $20?!?) Multi-way hand value > current pot odds assuming hero can correctly fold/shove OTF.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:29 AM   #17
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shove has to be better than call.
there is 0.5+1+2.2*3+0.1*9=9BB in the pot already ,assume we have no FE(actually we do have some fe cos it's 20 dollar tournament),we only need like 25% equity to BE and 89s plays much better than that in this spot.
since we are the shortest stack on the table, i dont really mind just go ahead and gamble for a 30BB stack .no money for 9th place anyways
We need more than 25%. Not sure where you got that number. Plus that is not counting ICM. Plus none of that shows how it's better than calling anyway.
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:40 AM   #18
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man, this call doesn't even qualify as hood.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:27 AM   #19
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also you can't bait busto_soon into a wall of text
I meant busto is trolling and this is bait for all the wall of text posters. None of the offending hsmtt posters have jumped at it yet but the more legit responses it gets from respected posters the higher the chance one of his intended targest will post a 1000 word essay on a trivial spot.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:47 AM   #20
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We need more than 25%. Not sure where you got that number. Plus that is not counting ICM. Plus none of that shows how it's better than calling anyway.
assume we ALWAYS get one caller, then we are shoving 9.6BB to win 0.5+1+2.2*3+0.1*9+9.6+8.4=27BB, that gives 2.81 to 1 pot odds, which means we need 26.2% equity to BE.

and LOL@ concerning about ICM here ,we are the shortest stack with 2nd shortest having 50% more chips than us(15BB),it's not like he's gonna bust any time soon.also, having a 27BB stack in a 20 dollar tournament(w/e it is, 20c,20fo,20r,20q) for busto soon means there will be bunch of good spots coming rather than have to wait for open shove spots with 8.6BB if we flat and lose the hand(c/f flop)

plus, flatting pre simply give ourselves room to make mistakes on the flop(not shoving correct flops) while shoving pre is pretty simple mistake free move.

And for pre FE part,yes we are very likely to get called. but there has to be even a little bit of FE. both MP1 and CO can be reasonablely light there cos of their stack sizes . BTN almost always has a hand(most likely pairs up to TT,AQ-,suited broadways ) but he's clearly scared to get in pre otherwise he should/would have just shoved pre.

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Old 08-03-2012, 11:16 AM   #21
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For those saying shove I wouldn't discount the possibility that CO has a big hand here considering the stack sizes still to act behind.
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:36 AM   #22
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Re: 98s bb at FT

Can't see what other buttons to press but the middle one?
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:54 AM   #23
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I like what you did.

nice flop, ul mate
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:13 PM   #24
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Very easy shove.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:21 PM   #25
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Re: 98s bb at FT

very easy flat
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:19 PM   #26
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Re: 98s bb at FT

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assume we ALWAYS get one caller, then we are shoving 9.6BB to win 0.5+1+2.2*3+0.1*9+9.6+8.4=27BB, that gives 2.81 to 1 pot odds, which means we need 26.2% equity to BE.

and LOL@ concerning about ICM here ,we are the shortest stack with 2nd shortest having 50% more chips than us(15BB),it's not like he's gonna bust any time soon.also, having a 27BB stack in a 20 dollar tournament(w/e it is, 20c,20fo,20r,20q) for busto soon means there will be bunch of good spots coming rather than have to wait for open shove spots with 8.6BB if we flat and lose the hand(c/f flop)

plus, flatting pre simply give ourselves room to make mistakes on the flop(not shoving correct flops) while shoving pre is pretty simple mistake free move.

And for pre FE part,yes we are very likely to get called. but there has to be even a little bit of FE. both MP1 and CO can be reasonablely light there cos of their stack sizes . BTN almost always has a hand(most likely pairs up to TT,AQ-,suited broadways ) but he's clearly scared to get in pre otherwise he should/would have just shoved pre.
I don't know if you're leveling but you don't count your raise on both sides of the ledger when calculating pot odds. It's more like 1.8 to 1, not 2.8 to 1. Also, yes ICM does count, even for the shortstack.
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Old 08-03-2012, 04:35 PM   #27
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Re: 98s bb at FT

im sure most people know this but just to clear it up

0 FE

not even .1 FE

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Old 08-03-2012, 04:36 PM   #28
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payouts would be nice btw

LOL ICM
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:00 PM   #29
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Stealing Bakes' avatar should be a permaban, obv.
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:02 PM   #30
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you seen bakes around here lately todd?
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