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thanks for the replies.
I folded the river pretty fast but talked to other people who thought it was bad.
i just dont usually see people betting 2x pot on the river without the nuts.

I think he might play AK and AQ the same way, so it's a call. Pre flop is debatable, but if you are going to fold in a spot like this, you should probably be folding pre.

meh i think we have to call this one

fold pre has its arguments but not in a psko

I think this is not the board to slowplay 99/55 on but rather AA, vs 2 mp callers, so I dunno why you think his range is exactly {55,99,AA} given all 3 streets of action; even if we give him all the combos of AA/99/55 and the rest of AK, for the hands we beat, we should still call w 22

fold pre, not close

IMO if I opened and flopped the set on dry A high board. OOP, 3 way. This would be the perfect spot for C/R. So 55, 99 not cbetting flop is not so absurd.

And seeing no one was betting flop , V just decide to execute delayed cbet OTT.
Get called by Hero , assuming Hero must have something.
And jam it on the river hope to get called by weak A. or whatever hands V is beating anyway.

And also V would play AA exactly this way IMO. V is unlikely to get called by so many hands any way, V could just jam it , hoping Hero gets suspicious and call.

For me, they are all make sense. But maybe too fishyyy for you experts here.

I really couldn't believe the results after seeing the hand and reading this thread. Just a question, if you're calling 22 pre and you hit basically the card that you want, why then are you folding it? I mean this hand played out a bit weird if you ask me. If you're playing this hand and hit then there's no way you should be folding the river. Should have just folded pre if you aren't calling this river bet.

That's extremely bad logic, we don't expect to face 1.6x pot on the river very often. Under certain assumptions preflop is a call and the river is a fold.

if you fold here you literally don't have a river calling range because you've just folded the top of it. Your turn calling range should be fairly large and if you have Ax it is likely to be something like AJs that you maybe checked back on the flop, since everything else should bet. You look like you have a pretty weak hand and if you start folding all of your range then overpot bets will own you. If your opponent really is so bad to be overpotting the absolute nuts here and is somehow psychic enough to know you have a weak full house, then he is making some massive errors in other parts of his game and this is just bad luck.

just one of those spots where you have to snapcall river imho

also pre seems fine'ish, not terrible at least

aggre with this.
against a normal bet on the river in the range of 40-100% of the pot i am snap calling.

@onehandatatime check your database and see how many times you faced a 1.6x pot on the river on a pretty dry board from a decent reg (not fish or highstakes sicko). Or a hand where you overbet the river and don't have the nuts or air.

I personally haven't seen (or played) a similar line without the nuts in my midstakes MTTs.

Lol, what in the world? We have a boat, call damnit. This is a dream spot vs his line. We should have some of his overbet value range beat too.

pre is probably fine multiway vs the smaller open and with antes. to say its flat out bad is pretty dumb imo
at some aggro tables id like a fold more tho pre and the ev runs close
as played snap otr this hand wont make it into a folding range vs this sizing

SnapCall. Vill sometimes beits you. Button with Ak...Aj he is betting for value. And some bluffs

Chuck,

how the hell is AQ/AK an "ambitious overbet"? people are talkin about folding 22 pre which is literally the only hand Hero can have on the river that beats AQ/AK- assuming Hero squeezes AK pre which I think is reasonable. its not a stretch by any means to think villain checked AQ/AK randomly/for pot control/to be tricky and then wanted to get max bc he feels like he missed a bet. Also, 3 ways, on an A hi board i have a super hard time believing 55/99 get checked by villain ever.

this is pretty easy guys, we have the tip top of our range, hell we have better than the top of our perceived range vs some people (since like I said some might expect Hero to fold 22 pre) and villain can be value betting worse. Not to mention it's REALLY hard for him to have better. The only hands that beat us that wouldn't shock me to see are AA & A9- both of which are pretty tough to have bc quadz are tough to make and A9o is a pretty spewy open from EP. I'd call and feel good about it.

Please

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Please cause it was a good post