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Old 04-30-2017, 07:32 PM   #1
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$540 ACR Million Dollar Sunday

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 200/400 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 14,921
BB: 35,587 (VPIP: 22.52, PFR: 13.25, 3Bet Preflop: 6.58, Hands: 152)
UTG: 17,841 (VPIP: 23.18, PFR: 17.22, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 152)
UTG+1: 9,960 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
MP: 12,464 (VPIP: 21.15, PFR: 13.72, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 229)
MP+1: 22,827 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 13,964 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BTN: 9,155 (VPIP: 31.33, PFR: 22.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.94, Hands: 151)

8 players post ante of 40, Hero posts SB 200, BB posts BB 400

Pre Flop: (pot: 920) Hero has 8 8

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 800, fold, Hero raises to 2,475, fold, CO calls 1,675

Flop: (5,670, 2 players) 4 8 5
Hero bets 2,175, CO calls 2,175

Turn: (10,020, 2 players) 7
Hero?
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Old 05-01-2017, 12:18 AM   #2
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Re: $540 ACR Million Dollar Sunday

Bigger flop, shove turn. This is not the type of flop you should be betting a lot of your range and use a small sizing at all

AP, turn sizing is awkward. Prob just rip it in for < PSB
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Old 05-01-2017, 04:53 AM   #3
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Re: $540 ACR Million Dollar Sunday

Why are we 3betting pre and already starting to build a pot with just a (small) pocket pair?
You don't mention anything about your image or IR image so I guess IR would prob. call with his entire opening range in postition here.

I would just call pre.
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Old 05-01-2017, 10:34 AM   #4
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Pre is fine and pretty std to play 3-bet or fold from SB

Calling pre is weak
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Old 05-01-2017, 11:02 AM   #5
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Pre is good obv vs 37/18
Flop Is good.
Turn your range wants to check so that's what I'd do.
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:01 PM   #6
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Re: $540 ACR Million Dollar Sunday

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Pre is good obv vs 37/18
Flop Is good.
Turn your range wants to check so that's what I'd do.
yeah
not a great thread
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:10 PM   #7
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yeah
not a great thread
I'm confused. Why is it not a good thread?
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:14 PM   #8
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Re: $540 ACR Million Dollar Sunday

its actually rly rly sick if you check and villain jams
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:29 PM   #9
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Re: $540 ACR Million Dollar Sunday

its just a very std spot, what kind of answer are you looking for?
the only discussion to be had is flop cbet strategy, I prob would x this personally but w/e
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:31 PM   #10
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its actually rly rly sick if you check and villain jams
yeah, don't think it can be a fold tho, blocking 86s, his 76s always jams flop, 65s might fold pre. and some might pile 44,55,77 ott.
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:36 PM   #11
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Re: $540 ACR Million Dollar Sunday

Checking flop is my preference
C/c now
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:37 PM   #12
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It's not sick if he jams. It's a trivial call
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:39 PM   #13
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Re: $540 ACR Million Dollar Sunday

I thought pre and flop we're pretty std(although I'm always open to discussion).

Turn is standard though? I know I'm not very good, but maybe you're right. Am I c/f to a shove or c/c? Turn going check check seems like a pretty bad situation for me as well.
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:43 PM   #14
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Checking flop is my preference
C/c now
Why do you wanna check flop?
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Old 05-01-2017, 05:10 PM   #15
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It's not sick if he jams. It's a trivial call
lol why do you think its a trivial call, whats his range for calling flop, which parts of his range are going to be inclined to bet here? how many 6x/hh combos does he have
does he float disconnected overcards on this texture, do you expect him to jam worse hands for value? what bluffs do you expect to see? ax w bd hearts?
is your poker game like your posting game where you just click buttons?
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Old 05-01-2017, 05:16 PM   #16
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It's not sick if he jams. It's a trivial call
absurdly so
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Old 05-01-2017, 05:41 PM   #17
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Re: $540 ACR Million Dollar Sunday

So if I jammed turn is that just marginally bad or really bad? I really went into the tank and had no idea what to do. I clicked all in because "lol I have top set how bad can it be?" Which obviously isn't a reasonable thought process, but I wasn't getting anywhere trying to rationalize what to do.

it seems c/calling might be the best option, but I really wanted to avoid a check/check turn.
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Old 05-01-2017, 05:56 PM   #18
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Re: $540 ACR Million Dollar Sunday

x x turn is going to be very good for us bc villain is now saying i dont have a str8 or a flush but i have some sdv so let me xback and try to get to sd.
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Old 05-01-2017, 06:07 PM   #19
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Re: $540 ACR Million Dollar Sunday

Good point. I guess I'm only worried of seeing a heart or a 6 when it goes check check. And he might be more inclined to hero a 2pair/99+ On blank rivers that would fold turn.
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Old 05-01-2017, 07:02 PM   #20
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seeing a heart and losing a pot to a random flush when u get rivered is more attractive then getting it in vs 6x or a flush ott (imo)
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Old 05-01-2017, 07:26 PM   #21
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Thanks for the discussion. As mentioned I just clicked it in, and villain tankish called with 66 no heart. Obviously the 4 came otr to save me from my button mash.
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Old 05-01-2017, 09:01 PM   #22
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Re: $540 ACR Million Dollar Sunday

its obv not a trivial xc ott
this isn't a cg minatorr
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Old 05-02-2017, 07:34 AM   #23
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Re: $540 ACR Million Dollar Sunday

Flop could go either way V depending , turn x/c and let him spew.


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seeing a heart and losing a pot to a random flush when u get rivered is more attractive then getting it in vs 6x or a flush ott (imo)
x/c because of this.
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Old 05-03-2017, 12:00 AM   #25
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Why do you wanna check flop?
For all boring reasons.
You can't bet range on that texture or if you do you just make life much easier for opponent.

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lol why do you think its a trivial call, whats his range for calling flop, which parts of his range are going to be inclined to bet here? how many 6x/hh combos does he have
does he float disconnected overcards on this texture, do you expect him to jam worse hands for value? what bluffs do you expect to see? ax w bd hearts?
is your poker game like your posting game where you just click buttons?
I felt you were trolling saying it's sick.
I agree he shouldn't have wide flop floating range esp vs our sizing but if he floats KhQ I think he jams now and 75s is an easy value jam for him.
Besides with less than pot behind we aren't making huge mistake vs str+.

I would expect bad players to r/c too wide pre or peel flop too wide to make themselves forced to have high enough turn freq to make 88 grape at c/c and great players to try to exploit us in a very good spot for them.
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