Early stages of the 530 EPT grand final qualifier. 7.5k starting stacks, deep structure. Villain is Laborda, I have him at 45/27/14.6 over 106 hands. If he's looked me up he wouldn't find much info on me but I will be unknown to him as I'm not a HS reg. I had made a few 3 bets before this but had shown nothing out of the ordinary.

My main query is not whether it's a call/fold on turn/river (although it'd be nice to hear opinions) but I'm looking for some advice on how I can improve my hand reading ability in these spots. Initial raiser was opening roughly 22% if it makes any difference.

The reason I called was because I found it hard for him to have many value hands in his range here. I can see him playing 77/A7/A9 this way (although unsure if he flats A7/A9 pre), but can we discount all Kx and 99? I'm not sure whether he would play AQ/AJ/AT this way? I felt like I could discount those as he would likely 3b pre from LP but you guys know more than me.




Thanks!

I will forever hate Laborda, purely from the WSOP coverage on ESPN.

Fold turn. Fold river.

i think we can discount a lot of the Kx combinations. It'd be pretty optimistic of him to float that flop with KQ, KJ, KT after your 3bet OOP and lead on flop (unless he was absolutely sure he could outplay you, of course). I also see those Kx combos checking turn for SDV so thatd be a super weird line to take

after the turn information V has a couple holdings that make a bet. JT is the only semibluff and all value hands A7, A9, 77 and 99. so i guess it all comes down to how likely it is that laborda flats MP with A9 or A7. if you think that's unlikely, I call the river bet because value hand combos (77 and 99) equal 6 and JT combos equal 16

im impressed with the call. harder to make in game rather then after when you're analyzing it

Thanks for the reply. Do you think we can exclude other Ax hands from his range then?

Is he flatting AXcc twice(and he closes action the second time) pre? Stacks are 200+ deep... and you have defined your hand as strong and willing to play a bigger pot by 3 betting from the SB.

Seems like villain line is standard flat flop with a medium A (and potentially a back door club draw as well) in position, then value half psb, value two thirds psb when he rivers the virtual nuts given your line.

So i am not certain we can discount Ax for villain.... but then again this deep and with your hand defined, I flat my entire range i flatted initially to close action if I'm villain.

i think we can. I excluded AA and AK because of their 3bet % preflop (he flatted). I excluded ace rags because they are more unlikely to flat and then call a 3bet pre. AJ and AT are commonly checking turn to get cheaply to a showdown. the combo which is on the fence is AQ imo but i feel AdQd is the only holding that confidently bets turn and we hold one blocker

edit: and the river brings the other blocker so this information is unavailable OTT but we can use it OTR

When its superobv your pre range is like 99,aq and better and oftetimes even tighter than this noone rven remotely thinking is ever attacking this boardstructure
Seems like a really dumb downcall and if he was bluffing a even dumber bluff

i agree with lissi

but we're talking a FOS tv pro that believes he can outplay any online dreamer in position. if we're playing against a random nit then yeah you're right but i think that because we know his name, we can make this call

i dont want to be results orientated, but the fact that we called this down and V showed a draw shows that folding river in these spots can possibly be a mistake. if hero had the upper part of that range you listed he wouldn't of played it so passively. so i think laborda recognized that and jumped all over it. he played it fine too because with all the comments in this thread, a lot of people are folding jacks, queens and Kx in this spot

i didnt see the results, nor do i care about them.

literally the only hand you beat is a float that turned a diamond draw, and if this guy is such a buttonclicking dolt who overplays everything then that means he has lots of the value combos you discount from his range. you can't have it both ways

The diamond draw got there. We beat JT though.

flat pre.

lissi again seems to speak the truth, but in a much less coherent matter this time around....

just seems extremely hopeful and not worth it

I didn't actually realise the results were shown in the replayer when I posted this, but anyway, like I said I'm not a HS reg and I wasn't actually that bothered about whether people thought it was a call/fold on turn and river, but I wanted to try and improve how I consider the decision.

It's easy for anyone to make a hero call and say "I put V on xyz" but it'd be nice to try and say "Ok there's X combos of bluffs, Y combos of this etc". I've played a lot at low-midstakes and understand that a lot of this comes from experience and players playing hands a certain way but obv being fairly new to the higher stakes games I was unsure as to how to assign HL with a range given these deep structures play different to what I'm used to.

Forget that it's Laborda, how often does the average HS reg (vs what they see as non HS player) float this flop in a 3b pot? I assume they consider that I will only be 3 betting JJ+ AK+? It'd be interesting to hear how the HS players view the lower stakes satellite qualifier. As a result, does the average HS reg then try and barrel 2 streets to try and get them off JJ-KK regularly or are they happy to move on and find a better spot?

+1

thought it was a heart but who really cares amirite