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4handed in iPoker 215, preflop spot with many options 4handed in iPoker 215, preflop spot with many options

12-24-2012 , 12:56 AM
Final table, hero has been cl the entire time and been pretty damn aggro. We are running 38/35/12 for the duration of the last two tables. Everyone left is a very good mid to high stakes reg and honestly I don't expect anyone to have a noteworthy skill edge.

Villain just doubled up through someone else so this is one of the first hands where he's cl. I think he's very good and capable of cold 4betting two uno cards here and I'm almost kind of expecting him to do it since he's 4bet me 0 times in this tourney and has been pretty quiet to my left until now (since he was 2/8 etc with shorties).

I think both shoving and 5bet/calling are gonna be massively +cev but obv there's the icm crap. Payouts are roughly 8,5k, 5,3k, 4k and 3k. This doesn't really come often but I really feel like I have four options that are all pretty equal. Please rate the following from the best option to worst:

1) Call
2) 5bet/call
3) 5bet/fold
4) Shove



$1.8k/$3.5k No Limit Holdem
iPoker
4 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO realgh3part ($90k) 26bb
BTN registeraccount ($166k) 47bb
SB BakinWookies ($278k) 79bb
BB BadugiPro ($326k) 93bb

Pre-Flop: ($6.7k, 4 players) BakinWookies is SB Q A
1 fold, registeraccount raises to $7k, BakinWookies raises to $20k, BadugiPro raises to $39k, registeraccount folds, BakinWookies ?



(edit: converter rounded the numbers, as a very important side note I obviously made it 19999)
12-24-2012 , 01:24 AM
Does he realize how bad you are or is he just flying blind? If hes read a CB thread might even just be a fold cause his range should be ridiculously tight, Im leanin towards the ole smoothcall though
12-24-2012 , 02:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kleath
Does he realize how bad you are or is he just flying blind? If hes read a CB thread might even just be a fold cause his range should be ridiculously tight, Im leanin towards the ole smoothcall though
harsh

also would lean towards a call
12-24-2012 , 03:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kleath
Does he realize how bad you are or is he just flying blind? If hes read a CB thread might even just be a fold cause his range should be ridiculously tight, Im leanin towards the ole smoothcall though
Lol

I like 1 and 4 over 2 and 3 cause of 'the icm crap'
12-25-2012 , 02:24 AM
1,3,4,2
12-25-2012 , 05:56 AM
I'm 1,3,4,2 as well. I could elaborate, but I'm pooping and don't want hemorrhoids.
12-25-2012 , 04:09 PM
You can play flops. Why have options 2 and 3..
12-26-2012 , 12:00 AM
See 3 bro, seems simple
12-26-2012 , 03:43 AM
i think flatting 7k pre first time is fine

note: maybe i am results orientated
12-26-2012 , 04:20 AM
I would see 3 and probally hate my life postflop most of the time
Definetely 3bet and id go smaller if i think he doesnt flat too much to 3bets and is buttonclicky
12-26-2012 , 10:19 AM
1 3 4 2

Getting a good price (I think, on my phone so quick workings) but given your description of his range and the game flow you have plenty of options post and will be far greater EV than shoving
12-26-2012 , 12:01 PM
assuming from the lack of updates on the thread that you didn't see 3? Or if you did was was the flop
12-26-2012 , 01:49 PM
I saw three, but in hindsight (not being results oriented) I'm pretty sure it was a worse idea than clicking any of the other buttons.
12-26-2012 , 02:17 PM
I like calling provided your not just c/f bricked boards
12-26-2012 , 02:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
I saw three, but in hindsight (not being results oriented) I'm pretty sure it was a worse idea than clicking any of the other buttons.
I think it's pretty hard for seeing three to be the worst option here

5 bet fold seems awful and you might as well have ace unicorn
5 bet call seems like icm disaster barring some sort of utterly absurd dynamic
shove is probably the best of the other 3 options but still meh, you are doing poorly vs his calling range so you have to be sure he's folding a ****ton of the time and you miss out on any additional spew value
12-26-2012 , 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bparis
I think it's pretty hard for seeing three to be the worst option here

5 bet fold seems awful and you might as well have ace unicorn
5 bet call seems like icm disaster barring some sort of utterly absurd dynamic
shove is probably the best of the other 3 options but still meh, you are doing poorly vs his calling range so you have to be sure he's folding a ****ton of the time and you miss out on any additional spew value
5b/f is probably not bad if villain knows who CB is, just pretend like you don't have AQ. I'm pretty sure his 6b range is all value because bluffing CB seems to be a very bad idea (no offense).

edit - 5b/c is without a doubt the worst option.
12-26-2012 , 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
I saw three, but in hindsight (not being results oriented) I'm pretty sure it was a worse idea than clicking any of the other buttons.
why?

calling is a great option pre
12-26-2012 , 10:57 PM
Does villain (both villains in OP seem familiar so I'm slightly biased) actually need to know hero is CB ? I mean, "38/35/12" "villain plays first hand as CL" ... do we expect him to cold 4b bluff at first opportunity or the reverse ?

Anyway, 1 .... 2 (I dislike shoving and 5b/f but def less than 5b/c) ; side note - I size it different if I was gonna 3b (re: leitalopez - you're just being result oriented when suggesting flatting pre the first time w our img/position)

flop : ?
12-27-2012 , 02:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
We are running 38/35/12
lol

cool image post
12-30-2012 , 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by random_chu
lol

cool image post
you'll get a reaction out of him one of these days, keep trying
12-30-2012 , 02:36 PM
Chuck Bass, Can we see the flop?
12-30-2012 , 03:04 PM
Thread is obviously a level, there's no way Mikka saw a flop with the top of his range and didn't tilt-try something dumb to win the pot after missing
12-30-2012 , 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
I saw three, but in hindsight (not being results oriented) I'm pretty sure it was a worse idea than clicking any of the other buttons.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
Thread is obviously a level, there's no way Mikka saw a flop with the top of his range and didn't tilt-try something dumb to win the pot after missing

think you nailed it ben

Last edited by bparis; 12-30-2012 at 04:47 PM. Reason: flop Kxx, check-raise bluff barrel off jajaja
12-30-2012 , 11:51 PM
Was K97r and I actually check-folded.

For those who wanna call can you give me one board where you are going to bluff in some fashion and how are you gonna execute it?

I still think:

5b/f>shove>5b/c>>>>>call>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fold
12-31-2012 , 02:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
For those who wanna call can you give me one board where you are going to bluff in some fashion and how are you gonna execute it?
I'll probably x/r K97r

      
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