So basically this is the hand that crippled me, very deep in SM. I was just moved to new table, i had pretty much a dream seat, with the massive stacks just to me right. I showed quite a bit of aggression in the 10 hands that i got to play previous to this at the table. No info on villain, would later find out he is very loose and spewy. From sharkscope he looked like a normal reg. What do you guys think of my line? I'm thinking a mistake is i should bet the turn much bigger, i gave him pretty good odds to stick around with his pair.

I think I like your line

i'd be sizing bigger to shove river

Horrible play from BB obv, but we cant control that.. Ill size flop and turn slightly bigger so I can shove AI on river (flop 65k, 130k turn. Pot on river is ~500 we've got 400 ish behind.)

Thx rh300487, i too think i should have sized it bigger. But then again, hindsight is 20/20. When i hit that beautiful nut FD flop and had position i decided to bet my normal amounts in order to keep him in the pot. But i guess i underestimated his calling station ability, he actually almost snapped me on the river, even though i should immense strength throughout the hand (utg+1, 3 barrels, very scary board for his measly 3rd pair).

P.S. even though he became one of the chip leaders soon after, he quickly donated his entire stack. Can't for the life of me understand how someone plays so spastic, when were so close to a huge payday (top 100).

more on turn, and im just gona shove river

i dont think villain played too bad

Against this type of loose passive player I think you should be absolutely checking down any non flush river and hoping for a cheap showdown. You have to think that he would have raised the flop most likely if he had you squashed with an overpair or possible a set. The only hands I can see him possibly flatting this flop with are Q and J high flush draws, possibly small pairs, or a hand like AJ or AQ. Once he makes the call on the Q turn, you now know 2 things. He is either calling on a flush draw or he has some sort of made hand that will not fold unless there is a flush river card.

eh idk seems pretty bad to flat this vs a utg+1 open and then just call down guessing vs his fairly strong range deep in a major with lots of dolts presumably still in, but I guess I can see your point that OP likely has a lot of 3 barrel bluffs in his range on this particular runout

what are you trying to rep here OTR?
OTF you say you ahve a draw/overpair (but this cbetsizing is a little weak, so he might not range you too made hand heavy)
OTT you say you have Jx+/or obv double barrel with draw/air
OTR you say you have toptop+ with this sizing

to him he is good unless you have JJ+/AQdd/QKdd/QJdd, so i dont hate the river call, his preflop and turn call is really bad tho.

Let's put it this way furo. OTR his call only beats AK/AT combos that i was semi-bluffing with, thats it. I could value bet even as thin as AQ on the river there, not to mention is quite possible i may have a backdoored flush, which i bet on the turn after i picked up more equity. But i doubt he was thinking any of that, he seemed to be in calling station brainless mode.

Nevertheless, i do think i played the hand sub-optimal. First of all, he had a huge stack, so the likelihood of him calling me down is much higher in this scenario, as opposed to having most of his chips at stake. Also, from the 10 hands or so i played at that table, i managed to 3bet him out of pots twice, so he might have started to be fed up with me. I should have either sized the turn and river big, so as to be allin by the river, or just check down the river knowing i got minimal showdown value.

I would love to hear some veteran perspectives on how to approach playing at a new table with all unknowns, deep in a tournament; because this is one of my weaker points, i generally make very good read based decisions, after i have sufficient info on opponents, but tend to become hazardous if i'm playing in the dark.

we can have AQ too prob...think it's a good line if we size it to play for stacks

I agree that as played his river call is prob fine, but his preflop and turn calls are bad

I like a bigger bet on turn and then check behind river.

When he calls flop he either has a pair or same FD we do. Those FD's have a ton of Jx Qxdd combos; vs that range a JQ runout is pretty much the worse we can expect. Give up otr, IF his FD didn't pair (very unlikely) you're winning the hand and he won't call anyways.

What about overbet shoving the river to super polarize hero's range to the backdoor flush?? If villain didnt see it at first, he will definitely see the backdoor once hero ships...tunnel vision is our friend here. Pretty sure villain folds tons.

flops fine, def make turn bigger and shove that river , nh v ul

I think I like the original line also with the addition of sizing flop and turn big enough to be able to jam river.

I also kinda like Andress' thoughts here but I'm not sure its to much of a leap to assume that his flop call dictates having an q/j high fd and pair only
Think his range could be wider specially if he's spew.
That being said three barrels of pressure should work a good deal of the time, and he can def fold some of these pairs.
Think hero got a bit unlucky to run into a player making these calls on multiple streets, also think it may be avoidable with slightly bigger sizing