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Old 06-21-2017, 11:32 AM   #26
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Re: 3rd hand in WSOP Millionaire Maker

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It's definitely in his range to value raise straights, sets and smaller flushes in this spot.
In that case call the c/r getting 3-1. However, it is just terrible play for him to c/r the overbet with less than a flush. Even some donks in this tournament will notice the 3-flush on the board.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:42 AM   #27
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Re: 3rd hand in WSOP Millionaire Maker

Shoving and folding can't both be considerations, it's either between call/fold or call/shove for value.

I've lead/3bet a backdoor king high flush on the river before in a live donkament, crying called off his 4bet getting 7:1 or something to have him turn over 2 pair. You just cannot fold here even if you think he's bluffing 0% of the time unless you're really sure villain isn't clueless. He could overplay a straight, 8-5/4/2dd, heck, some people show up with J6 here. I think it's more likely that he has you beat considering you overbet and he raised kinda small, but at 3:1 calling seems best. I think a shove makes 0 sense but you might have the best hand often enough that even a shove is less disastrous than a fold.
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Old 06-21-2017, 02:49 PM   #28
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Re: 3rd hand in WSOP Millionaire Maker

I don't see how shoving is an option this early. You don't have nearly enough information to assume much about villan. I would probably reluctantly call after considering folding.
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Old 06-22-2017, 03:18 PM   #29
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Re: 3rd hand in WSOP Millionaire Maker

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Did not expect to get so much hate on the river over bet! I have villain calling high and low straights, sets, most 2 pairs and some 1 pair hands here in this spot (bluff catchers).

It's definitely in his range to value raise straights, sets and smaller flushes in this spot.

Well are you gonna prove us all wrong and tell us he had a set or did you call it off only to see the nut flush??
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Old 06-22-2017, 07:23 PM   #30
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Re: 3rd hand in WSOP Millionaire Maker

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Shoving and folding can't both be considerations, it's either between call/fold or call/shove for value.

I've lead/3bet a backdoor king high flush on the river before in a live donkament, crying called off his 4bet getting 7:1 or something to have him turn over 2 pair. You just cannot fold here even if you think he's bluffing 0% of the time unless you're really sure villain isn't clueless. He could overplay a straight, 8-5/4/2dd, heck, some people show up with J6 here. I think it's more likely that he has you beat considering you overbet and he raised kinda small, but at 3:1 calling seems best. I think a shove makes 0 sense but you might have the best hand often enough that even a shove is less disastrous than a fold.
+1 mirrion. Think it's a pretty clear call, expecting to lose something like 2/3 of the time.
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Old Yesterday, 04:37 PM   #31
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Well are you gonna prove us all wrong and tell us he had a set or did you call it off only to see the nut flush??
Are you sweating the spoiler alert?! Haha.

Just called, he showed up with J5
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