It's definitely in his range to value raise straights, sets and smaller flushes in this spot.
In that case call the c/r getting 3-1. However, it is just terrible play for him to c/r the overbet with less than a flush. Even some donks in this tournament will notice the 3-flush on the board.
Shoving and folding can't both be considerations, it's either between call/fold or call/shove for value.
I've lead/3bet a backdoor king high flush on the river before in a live donkament, crying called off his 4bet getting 7:1 or something to have him turn over 2 pair. You just cannot fold here even if you think he's bluffing 0% of the time unless you're really sure villain isn't clueless. He could overplay a straight, 8-5/4/2dd, heck, some people show up with J6 here. I think it's more likely that he has you beat considering you overbet and he raised kinda small, but at 3:1 calling seems best. I think a shove makes 0 sense but you might have the best hand often enough that even a shove is less disastrous than a fold.
I don't see how shoving is an option this early. You don't have nearly enough information to assume much about villan. I would probably reluctantly call after considering folding.
Did not expect to get so much hate on the river over bet! I have villain calling high and low straights, sets, most 2 pairs and some 1 pair hands here in this spot (bluff catchers).
It's definitely in his range to value raise straights, sets and smaller flushes in this spot.
Well are you gonna prove us all wrong and tell us he had a set or did you call it off only to see the nut flush??
Shoving and folding can't both be considerations, it's either between call/fold or call/shove for value.
I've lead/3bet a backdoor king high flush on the river before in a live donkament, crying called off his 4bet getting 7:1 or something to have him turn over 2 pair. You just cannot fold here even if you think he's bluffing 0% of the time unless you're really sure villain isn't clueless. He could overplay a straight, 8-5/4/2dd, heck, some people show up with J6 here. I think it's more likely that he has you beat considering you overbet and he raised kinda small, but at 3:1 calling seems best. I think a shove makes 0 sense but you might have the best hand often enough that even a shove is less disastrous than a fold.
+1 mirrion. Think it's a pretty clear call, expecting to lose something like 2/3 of the time.
No reason to expect a random to spaz out after you've barreled at every opportunity and overbet the river. I think you only really win after calling if he decided to raise 98 of diamonds, but there's so many more combos of bigger flushes.
your replies sound reasonable lately and what a contrast.....
"just calling" meh, its snap fckn fold after you overbet river vs random in ****ty millionmaker.
I mean hey we supposed to become millionaires when we reg it right so what the hell? ))
shoving wat?
I agree tho its not great hand to overbet river.
@OP
you`ve taken weird line man, let me guess you don`t understand very well what you`re doing right?
You opened T3s OTB and I`m like " well its kinda for the big dogs but ok lets see" and then to my satisfaction you cbet close to pot on J87r ... wow.... kudos to you -- nice play really both w/ specific hand and whole betting range.
Furthermore OTT you bet less than half pot (!?) when your hand gained equity and possesses all positive and negative qualities to keep firing large.
would fold pre ante, might open post ante if bb isnt too good at poker. dont mind the idea of betting all three streets but would for sure size differently on all of them. smaller otf, bigger ott and smaller otr. if we want to overbet otr we should rly have the Ad in our hand, obv bluffing frequencies should be adjusted according to stacksize/vil/stage of the mtt and whatnot.
with our exact hand id also rather overbet turn than river. as played obv calling because lol potodds.