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5, weird turn bet 5, weird turn bet

11-26-2016 , 06:55 PM
Hi all first post here,

10,000 starting stack. Tournament is one re-entry until level 9, Hero did not plan on re-entering
Pretty soft table, level 7 with 200/400 blinds/50 ante

Hero: Mid-twenties white guy with a TAG image. Played very few hands early but has been active the last few levels. Taken down most pots pre-flop and OTF, chipped up to ~17,000 mostly with dead money.

Villain: Mid/late 30's white guy who has been betting big with strong holdings and been active since joining, arrived at the table around level 3. Has made it 5x/6x twice when folded to him on the button with AK and shows the table when everyone folds. In the only hand hero has had with villian he open folded an 8 on a K8664 board with 3 spades. Has about ~22,000

Hero opens UTG with [AdJd] for 1200
Folded around to Villain who calls in the SB, BB folds

(3250)Flop Ah3h2d
V checks, Hero bets 1300, Villain raises to 4000, Hero calls

V then bets 11,000 in the dark () , Hero has about ~11,800 and pretty much all in if he calls

(22250) Turn 2h
Hero????
What is his range when he does this? Any way we can call without a A,J, or second diamond come on the turn? If we were planning on re-entering is this a call?? I've never encountered a situation like this even in low buyin donkaments

Thanks
11-26-2016 , 07:26 PM
Not sure what you are having hard time with after calling 11k and have 2 Bb left and your pot math doesn't add up


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11-26-2016 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jake0518
Not sure what you are having hard time with after calling 11k and have 2 Bb left and your pot math doesn't add up


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Blinds are 200/400 I have about ~29BB behind?

Last edited by Bane_Posting; 11-26-2016 at 07:43 PM.
11-27-2016 , 12:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bane_Posting
Hi all first post here,

10,000 starting stack. Tournament is one re-entry until level 9, Hero did not plan on re-entering
Pretty soft table, level 7 with 200/400 blinds/50 ante

Hero: Mid-twenties white guy with a TAG image. Played very few hands early but has been active the last few levels. Taken down most pots pre-flop and OTF, chipped up to ~17,000 mostly with dead money.

Villain: Mid/late 30's white guy who has been betting big with strong holdings and been active since joining, arrived at the table around level 3. Has made it 5x/6x twice when folded to him on the button with AK and shows the table when everyone folds. In the only hand hero has had with villian he open folded an 8 on a K8664 board with 3 spades. Has about ~22,000

Hero opens UTG with [AdJd] for 1200
Folded around to Villain who calls in the SB, BB folds

(3250)Flop Ah3h2d
V checks, Hero bets 1300, Villain raises to 4000, Hero calls

V then bets 11,000 in the dark () , Hero has about ~11,800 and pretty much all in if he calls

(22250) Turn 2h
Hero????
What is his range when he does this? Any way we can call without a A,J, or second diamond come on the turn? If we were planning on re-entering is this a call?? I've never encountered a situation like this even in low buyin donkaments

Thanks
If he was semibluffing a draw, he got there. If he wasn't semi bluffing, he already had a set or 2 pair. I might be wrong, but I see check raises and bets in the dark more with flush draws. I do not call this for my tournament life.

I am more apt to take chances with draws if I am going to rebuy, but here it just seems a bit spewy to stack off on a flushed board against an aggressor with just one pair.
11-27-2016 , 01:53 PM
I think turn is an easy fold. Versus described villain you can even fold on the flop.
11-29-2016 , 09:17 PM
I play a lot of tournaments in this price range though I post mostly in Mid-Stakes.

When guys shove in the dark I have only ever seen very strong hands, never draws. That being said, the draw got there anyway.

Also, your take on this guy is he plays his strong hands strong. So you are likely trailing badly on the flop when he c/r's. I don't fault you much for calling to see what he is going to do on the turn in case he is semi-bluffing but it is less likely given the A on the flop.

I wouldn't change my decision if we were going to re-enter. I just don't like this spot. I don't think I would call if a diamond hit the turn either. But maybe on a re-entry. I would feel better only if a J came on the turn because now we beat A3/A2. An A doesn't make our hand better vs his possible big hands.

FWIW with 43 BB's my pre-flop raise is to 1,000 and my cbet is usually 1,000 as well. Then I am less invested and his c/r is for less as well.
11-30-2016 , 01:48 AM
hmm it highly depends how well villains plays.
actually a strong holding doesnt make much sense, this screams so much set that i dont really buy it.

it really looks more like he thinks you have no ace or not a strong one so he checkraises your cbet. your call could also be just a float so he go all in to get weak aces and floats to fold.

however the 2 on the turn was bad. a 3 woudl be better against A2 a jack much better.


a set or 2 pair aint much sense to bet in the dark. he already got called so better see if the turn draws a flush. a flush well shoudl also wait and see.


the bet in the dark should impress you. he basically tells you iam already there fold
shure he could do this on purpose to makes you think he is bluffing but most of the time peopel dont think 2-3 stages deep. she shows his good holdings to get a better image - on the surface.
then again, betting in the dark makes no sense against a possible draw. only if he is shure youre on an ace and he has a set or something. thats not many holdings



my only concern here is he got now trips duces lol, since we are early and youre already have 1/3rd in i would say call him.

i would say you could see a weaker ace (A10 and below, more A9, A8) or even just air (KQ, KJ, QJ, J10 or middle pairs like 55-1010 maybe even JJ)

i dont buy flush and certainly not a fullhouse, worst case A2 A3 but i dont think so
11-30-2016 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by clueless
hmm
I give this post five and a half cave trolls out of ten, would not read again.

      
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